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02-28-2014 , 04:27 AM
$500 eff. I have 8c8h in SB and call a $25 (total) raise from MP and 3 others also call. MP is an average TAG. 9-handed table, quite tight and tough with only 2 substantial fish. Yes $25 got 4 callers but this is *highly* unusual for this table. This is absolutely not a loose-passive table. Your image = tight. Flop:

5h2s3s Pot ~ $130

The action is on you. What's your line for the hand (plan for all streets) and why?
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02-28-2014 , 04:56 AM
c/ evaluate, as i may easily end up folding

if it goes bet/call/call/call then back to you its an easy fold, if it goes bet/raise the easy fold as well

im probably only calling if it one person bets

so many hands have you crushed 99+, 55 33 22 52 53 32 A4 64 and so many are flipping or aheadL 54 34 42, any flush draw with a 4 or 6 or ace or 2 overs.

so ya c/eval. turbo muck to any heat
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02-28-2014 , 05:28 AM
B/f 85. This sizing is right and achieves the same effect as a bigger bet.

Depends on which V comes along if I decide to fire again.
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02-28-2014 , 10:25 AM
I'd b/f small for 1/2 pot, so around $65. I don't see any reason to bet larger.

We can't really have an exact plan for future streets until we know what happens. In other words, there are a HUGE number of possible outcomes.

Different villains can choose a multitude of different actions...
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02-28-2014 , 11:56 AM
Marginal either way. If the table is as tight as you suggest, it is a toss up if you have the best hand or not. Stack size makes mean lean towards check, hero doesn't want to build a big pot here and there isn't a lot of room to maneuver. Bet/fold $70 is fine also. Can't really plan ahead here because it depends entirely on who calls and how the board runs out, but mostly I'm trying to get to river cheaply and giving up to any serious action.
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02-28-2014 , 02:49 PM
I bet here because i think I am ahead a lot and want to charge overcards and increase my chance if winning the pot. Generally fold to the reraise. As previously said it depends on what villain and what turn card hits as to my turn play if called.
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02-28-2014 , 03:14 PM
I like B/f about 70 as well. There are a lot of draws you have decent equity against, and not many made hands crushing you. Value owning yourself against 99 / TT is a real danger though.

If I only get 1 caller my plan is to fire any turn that isn't a 4, spade or ace. With 2 callers I probably shut down unless turn is a non-spade jack, ten, 9, or 7, though maybe its better to just shut it down completely.
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02-28-2014 , 05:36 PM
I led out $80, 1 V called, and we checked down turn and river and he had TT. I was disgusted by the whole thing and felt $80 was spew. Maybe just c/f this? Like how often is this good vs 4 people?
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02-28-2014 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
I led out $80, 1 V called, and we checked down turn and river and he had TT. I was disgusted by the whole thing and felt $80 was spew. Maybe just c/f this? Like how often is this good vs 4 people?
No you played it right. Don't be results oriented.
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03-01-2014 , 12:51 AM
b/f>c/c>>>>c/r>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>c/f

b/f and c/c can be switched depending on tendencies of other players for exploitative purposes, but protecting against overcards in a 5 way pot is usually a good idea.

V is pretty horrible to check down TT here also.
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03-01-2014 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jvds
V is pretty horrible to check down TT here also.
Yes, but I think it's pretty standard for the average LLSNL player. We need to keep this in mind when playing against the field.

This isn't online poker where

overpair = 3 barrel for value
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03-01-2014 , 07:21 PM
I think you played it fine. A check or b/f on flop are both fine as discussed.

My question -- after you get flatted by one villain on flop, you're most likely behind, right? Any thought at turning your hand into a bluff?

I actually don't like it and think it may be results oriented, but maybe not?
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03-05-2014 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DocSkillz
I think you played it fine. A check or b/f on flop are both fine as discussed.

My question -- after you get flatted by one villain on flop, you're most likely behind, right? Any thought at turning your hand into a bluff?
Absolutely not. With that many people in the pot he's very likely to have a monster, especially in a limped pot with such a raggy board. Plus this guy was a bit of a calling station fish.
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