I've been playing for about 5 hours and comfortably building a stack without hitting too many hands. Been playing tight. Tables just merged so don't have a great read on the new players and down in Miami so not an area I play regularly.

Hero ($1k) - TAG 30 yr old male grinder
V1 ($650) - 20's LAG hispanic (appears to be a grinder), headphones, knows a lot of the people in the poker room.
V2 ($1100) - mid 40's white male...seems solid enough...won a big hand with a set earlier. Played with him before and pays me off generally. Will play some questionable hands if can get in cheaply.
V3 ($900) - late 30's hispanic male - tight passive so far. not much info.
V3 ($400) - mid 40's LAG hispanic male (fish) - played with him before and is a calling station pre...will make some bad plays post flop and is a losing player.

V1 raises to $20 pre UTG (only been here @2 orbits but he's raised about 40% of hands), V2-V4 all call....Hero looks down at AK on button and 3 bets to $110....V1 hesitantly calls and creates a waterfall effect...everyone calls....****...not what I expected.

Flop ($550) T34

Everyone checks around....hero bets out $285. What is everyone's opinion??

Normally I would NOT advocate betting out into 4 villains but this board is about as dry as they come if I'm repping an overpair...only thing to worry about IMO was pocket T's. Didn't expect the pot to get this big and put me in a difficult spot given stack sizes. V2 was the only player that had seen me 3 bet....which I showed up with AA when a short stack called off.

A difficult spot indeed.

The waterfall effect is frustrating, especially when V4 is coming along for over 25% of his stack.

With such a massive pot and dry board, I don't think we need to take a stab, but I don't hate the move.

We are basically shutting down if we are called by anyone and folding to any check/raise from V1-4.

There are some turn cards that help our holdings; any heart, any broadway card, even a 2 or 5 so even if we are called, we're not dead in the water.

I like the play, but maybe the numbers don't fully support it, not sure.

Just a broad question: Does the raise from the button make your "rep" of an over pair any less believable?

With 4 players already calling a bet, this button 3bet could look like an attempt to isolate and pick up some dead money.

Just asking...

New players, new table....I'm sure it does to some and sure it doesn't to others. Sure V2 is probably giving me credit for a solid hand. V4 doesn't really care what I have (he would've just bet out if he hit a piece)....he's short stacked so not as worried about him though.

Yes, it does make our play less credible.

The only 'funky' thing here is that you were the PF raiser. So any bet you make will carry most of the weight of a c-bet and not necessarily that of a value bet .. and you can't go small here.

I think I would've gone over $300, maybe $310-315, but $285 is fine. It will be very difficult for anyone to come along without a very strong holding and you have overs and bdoor nut flush.

Would 'think' that you only need to worry about V1 and V4 (short) here on this board. If V1 has JJ you still have decent equity going forward and you are IP for the hand. C-bet away ... unless is just doesn't fit your image. But if you are repping AA-QQ then you would be doing this anyway. Keep the pressure on ... GL

Couple things...

1. V1 especially can easily have TT-QQ and he's likely not folding those.

2. There is at least one if not two players capable of having Tx given LAGiness and waterfallness. And they're likely not folding that.

3. You always have AK here obviously.

1. My read was that he wasn't that strong (just my read on him).

2. True

3. Why wouldn't I play JJ-AA this way?? I'd play it the same...

Although by betting, if V1 or V4 shoves, then I'm committed to the pot to call anyway and about 3 to 1 to improve....

One last thing...this casino allows you to run it twice on all-in boards (which is an option between the two players). How much do you think this should this factor in??

Grunch

Raise bigger pre. $140.

Check flop. I've lost enough money in this spot for my advice here to be worth something.

When I say you always have AK I mean they always put you on AK. Unfortunately that's hat you've got this time. Pretending to have AA vs 4 players, one of whom is short AND bad is pretty rough.

maybe in a single raised pot, but not in a 5 way 3bet pot... check behind

To me, one consideration would be your game strategy as a whole. If you're in bulldozer mode I think in general this would be a good cbet, with the plan to barrel any turn card that gives you a pair or a draw.

Two problems, one being the UTG raise by a solid player who is short-stacked. The other being the size of the pot relative to your stack, not good for a speculative/bluffy line I wouldn't think.

OTOH there are a lot of turn cards that could breathe life into your hand, so I guess I like a check behind.

I sometimes just call with AK pf, especially when faced with a new table dynamic. I sometimes check behind on the flop with AA. If I bet this flop with AK, I bet exactly the same amount I would bet with QQ, whatever that may be.

I think it helps your ability to bluff in future hands if you show that you don't automatically bet with an "obvious" AK that missed the flop.

It can't be too bad as long as you know what you're doing on turns and rivers

I don't think you have to cbet so big either. $240-250 is good

Check flop.

Getting called or raised when you bet here both suck quite a bit. They just don't fold around often enough to make up for it IMO. With 8 great turn cards, 15 more helpful ones, and only ace high currently, this is the type of spot where the value of the free card option you earned really shines through.

Let's assume none of them have a pocket pair and all are equally likely to hit or miss.

The (very approximate) odds of all three Villians missing (however loosely defined that might, be since a draw using the 3 and 4 from the flop would seem to be unlikely for $110 pre) are 2/3 * 2/3 * 2/3 or just under 30%. Stated another way one of them "hits" the flop 30% of the time.

If they call we are not necessarily drawing dead. But if they "hit" we are behind.

We have to be correct and cashing in our fold equity here ($285 to win $550) about one time out of three just to break even. (YMMV, just an estimate).

Which could make for some high variance evenings if done as a steady diet.

Thus I prefer taking the free card but that's just me.

Yeah given dynamic....believe I should've just checked behind.

So here it is....

Based on the V descriptions & and the fact you can run it twice I'm guessing this was at Magic City? Imo you're strongly overestimating your fold equity here. Just wait till you actually have the overpair in this spot and you will get paid. You are almost never getting a T to fold.

Betting smaller OTF accomplishes the same thing that your sizing does. Bet $180 and ship any A/K/Q/J/ heart turn or don't cbet at all

The guy who said that YOU OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS HAVE AK HERE LOL is ******ed just disregard his post

Sigh.

You know nothing.

Everyone disagrees with your analysis and I'm the one who knows nothing? Hrm. Ok. Still waiting on that stove from the other post bud

he was just saying that everyone is going to put him on ak

Here's what I tell myself when I check-fold the flop.

I put in 110 to win 550. I need to win the pot 22% of the time. I'll flop a pair or better roughly one-third of the time.

I only need to win the pot 2/3rds of the time I flop TPTK (or better) to breakeven in this spot. That seems doable. I don't even need to make a dollar value-betting, when I hit, for this to be a profitable spot.

If I put in a lot of money, when I don't hit, I change a profitable spot into an unprofitable spot. I don't feel obligated to do that.