Playing a super live crazy 2-5 nl live game with a group of mostly horrific players. Get into a fairly standard big pot but was curious to see how others would play the hand, specifically my play on the flop.

Three limpers I look down at a-k of hearts and bump to 35. Very standard opening raise in this game btw. Get two callers and one of original limpers makes it 135. Villian is one of few competent players in game but is stuck big and has been playing very loose and aggro. I call in position and we see a flop heads up. BTW I started hand with $1100 and he has me covered.

Flop is 8-5-2 two hearts villian leads $195. I am sitting with $965 at this point. Stack sizes here just seemed really awkward here. Is anyone flatting here ever?? raise to $550?? just jam the flop?? I am just curious to see what everyone thinks is the is the best flop play. thx

shove for sure, you will prob get looked up lite if villain is tilting/looking to gamble

but with 2 over, nut flush draw, and back door wheel you are prob a fav, you also have some FE,

i know limp re-raising usually means a huge hand, but if villain limped after two limpers already, and then makes it 135 after they call your raise, it looks like a poor attempt at a squeez, his pre-flop play doesnt look like a monster, i think re-raising pre can be justified, villains preflop makes no sense

i would be surprised if he rolls over AA, or KK

even good players start doing ******ed stuff when stuck/tilting

shove for sure

With $535 in the pot already (if I calculated correctly) I jam to flop bet.

thx for replies guys. It wasn't a difficult spot and if we were deeper I would of had more options. I mean I am basically stacking off with that flop everytime regardless. The end result was as bad as possible as he did have aces so I was just drawing to hearts which of course I bricked off.

If he's stuck/tilting I oblige his tilt by CiB and calling shove pre. You were also drawing to runner runner K my man, that's very important

It's really dependant on villain. Limp re-raise pre is almost always AA/KK, but it's so hard to not see a flop IP with AKhh, and I don't blame you for doing so.

As played I'm getting it in on flop, too. If anything though, I'd like to raise his flop bet to like 550, just to make him paranoid.

"Wtf he's obviously pot committed, why doesn't he just shove?"

Play it like a set but pray for the hearts.

If villain is half competent, this is NEVER AA or KK if he limp re-raised after 2 limpers. If he is original limper and 3bets then AA/KK is likely.
If he is not the original limper I'm jamming here every time as you still have a lot of FE against his range.
If he is the first limper jamming here is the worst play EVER - likely has AA/KK and made a decision not to fold PF and you are getting it in as a 2-1 dog. I call here and can still play for stacks - ~700 in the pot going to the turn.

The key here is how tilty you think he is and how competent that makes him as a player _at this moment_. The more you think he still has his wits, the more HammerHead69Baby's response wins. But if I am thinking that he is chasing, and could have something where my overs are live, etc, I am fine with the shove.

Get it in, run it twice, kiss your sister.

OP didnt say it was limp,limp,Villian limps. Said he was one of the three limps.
If he's first or second limper,this is SO often AA/KK(mostly AA). Super crazy game,competant player. Limp,RR is strong. What are we repping with shove on that flop? Overpair? Sure. Flush draw? Sure. A set? LOL.

A major justification for shoving flop is when we have fold equity. JJ on down is very unlikely from villian. QQ? Maybe(BIG maybe). Again,his most likely holding is AA. Against our flush draw he is 2 to 1 fave(easy call). Against our overpair he is 9 to 1 fave(easier call). We have little to no fold equity here.
We are simply going to show up w KK,QQ,or flush draw with our line. That's not getting the fold.

To commit 193bbs(95 bbs in pot) without fold equity is iffy. Not the worst play,just iffy.

With the strong line villian has taken,we may have enough implied odds to call flop. We surely will get pushed off the hand if we blank turn,but we prob stack him when we hit turn.(He is putting us on KK,QQ)

Note to OP:40 min after you posted,you listed the results. Too soon IMO.
Results skew the analysis.

Yeah,I also play 72o cuz I can make quads.

I think he has JJ+ here so often. I know in my game I am getting called here by TT to TPTK if I shove. How often do you think he can fold JJ here? I think he snap calls with AA or KK TBH if hes a thinking player he could easily put you on lower overpairs like TT or JJ yourself, nut flush draw as well as sets and make the call.

If he Cbets a lot with AK/AQ and 99/TT here and can fold them then I dont mind a shove. If not I think would call, see the turn go broke if an Ace or King hits if I miss hearts and a pair I fold OTT, its prob. a leak in my game so dont take that advice.

imo

LRR is so bad. Don't make it "right" by paying it off. Flop play is fine, but I just fold pre.

/MUBS

Fop play seems pretty standard I think pre I fold like KurtSF said to me it looks like AA/KK and just bad play by him.

I know the LRR is considered bad, but I swear at $1/2 the few times I have done it I have been paid off every single time. The only time I use it is at a table where if someone raises it starts a limp parade, and no one ever 3 bets. I know I am playing the hand face up at that point, but there is always someone willing to stack off, where if I opened for $20-25 from early position, I would be in a 5-6 way pot.

The limp re-raise pf is almost always AA. In a multi-way pot, I just fold it pf.

I've seen this time and time again. The LRR is always showing up with AA or KK. Whats strange is that it was after a few limpers but I've seen that as well. AKh vs a range of AA and KK is just terrible obviously. I know its hard to fold AKh preflop with this action but the only flop your looking for here is hearts which you got. As played I would have probably jammed as well. Live players 3-bet such a tight range that it is correct to just throw AK in the muck. Its usually QQ+, AK, obviously this is villian dependent. I will start widening people's 3-betting range with more reads, but I usually start there.

just a cooler the hand played itself

I think I remember a paragraph from a Sklansky book recommending to limp in later positions with AA in a crazy game. The thought was that you'll be in a 6 way pot anyway, you might as well limp and get paid off when you hit top set or LRR from late position where nobody will put you on AA.

Personally, I would have played the hand very similar to OP. My only thought was maybe making a bigger pf raise in a game like this. The goal is really to get the pot heads up or 3 handed, and with a bunch of limpers I'd look at a raise of maybe $50 or so, depending on what's been able to thin the field successfully in the past.

You just called preflop because??? I'm guessing you put him on a big hand and though you had no fold equity.

Imo, nothing changes on the flop. ie) if you flat pre b/c you put him on an overpair, he is not folding on this kind of flop so therefore shoving the flop seems like a bad play to me. You simply won't get credit.