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07-27-2010 , 11:05 PM
a little info
my image is super tight the whole night
i went so far to show how tight i was by show and folding AQs to a limp/3bet
reason for that was to bluff later and not be bluffed

as far as table is concerned, it's mostly a very loose table with 1-2 tight players

as for villain, she is middle aged woman in her late 30's or 40's
haven't seen her play much
heard stories from her saying how she lost with aa for over 1k
when another dude calls her preflop for over 100$ with 56o
other than that no specific reads

anyway
stacks
villain - 1.3k-1.4k
hero - 1.5k

actions
ep limp
villain limp
2 more limpers
im on BTN with k3o
so i thought for a sec i decided to raise and make use of my image that i've set up btw i usually just fold even on the button with terrible hands that's how tight i am
anyway i make it to 32
bb call
ep fold
villain call
2 others call

pot is now about 160
flop is a miracle
A33 rainbow!!!!!!!!!
all checks back to me.........
i decided to induce bluff/calls and bet 40
all fold cept villain
i put her on at least an ace and maybe 3x
and no i dont put her on pocket aces, a3 is possible but unlikely

anway turn comes a J of spade with possible spade flush draw
villain checks
pot is about 240
so i bet 80 - reason if villain has Ax she might be inclined to call
and if villain has 3x she might check raise me here
and she decided to check raised me to 250
i thought for about 2 mins, here was an easy call but i was thinking about shoving
the problem with shoving is stacks are too deep to shove, if i only have 500 left then this would be easy shove, but here we have about 1300 effective stacks behind and if she is good she would only call with hands that beat me although i didn't identify her as good from her stories she told
anyway i just went ahead and call and evaluate the river

River comes an 8 of spade completing the back door flush
villain checks!!!
so pot is now about 750
this looked to me like a standard value bet even though it might be a little thin
ranges that beat me are jj, 88, 38, j3, a3, aa and back door flushes
and i was thinking all these ranges would bet the river since villain check raised the turn
unless villain has a monster like aa to check raise again on the river....
anyway i decided to valuebet all 3x and made it to 250
villain instant calls

anyway line check plz
any bad spot besides preflop
i know i will get alot of **** for preflop raise
i wanted to take it down preflop or get headsup so i can cbet any flop
how bad was my bet sizing? should i reraise on the turn?? if i do reraise on the turn i pretty much pot commit myself and leaves no room to fold to turn/river shove
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07-27-2010 , 11:24 PM
Stacks are too deep BC bet sizing is off. Bet larger on the flop and turn. Someones bound to value cut themselves with ax. When she raises I jam. Flatting here looks really strong. I mean what hands are you leading and calling a huge raise like that. Very slim especially your tight image. Jam and get what you can. I doubt You get anymore value on river after flatting there with worse hands.
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07-27-2010 , 11:26 PM
Well, you raise an awful hand pre, hit gin on the flop, you bet the turn for 80 which I guess was to induce her playing back at you, and when she does you just flat?
I am not sure what you were doing there. On the river, you list everything that can beat you**, but we think we can discount AA. I would also through out 88, 8-3, and J-3. The back door flushes are possible, but it looks to me like she is playing a scared hand here. If I had to put her on one hand, my gut says A-J. She limped called, played her A soft because of your preflop raise, and raised when she caught two pair. The spade on the river has her scared. If she has a boat she is betting, and I just don't see what spade draw she would have been raising with on the turn.

Value bet this, and I don't think it is that thin.

As for bet sizing, the flop bet is awful. You raised it pre with junk, hit the flop, so go make some money. On the flop I would have bet for $100, just enough to keep the weak aces around.

**Also, naming the hands that beat you is not putting your villain on a range. Ask yourself what she would limp call with for $32. I would put her on something like 22+, A/10+, and broadway suited connectors. We maybe can move that ace range down to any suited ace, which would put A-3 in the mix. I just don't see her checking the river with that hand.
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07-27-2010 , 11:45 PM
I hate the flop/turn bets. You say you have a tight image and now you hit trips on A33 board. This is perfect for you. You must bet huge on both flop and turn and hope that some monkeys either a) stick around with Ax to pay you off or b) try to bluff your "AQ+" since thats what they think you have by representing the 3. As played, shove turn and pray she calls ldo.

By the way, its not relevant that 88 is a hand that beats you.... think about it. She calls your flop bet with 88 on a flop of A33, then c/r you on the turn which is a J and BAM full house on river and she checks.
Spoiler:
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07-28-2010 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
**Also, naming the hands that beat you is not putting your villain on a range. Ask yourself what she would limp call with for $32.
+1 lol

This is not a thin bet, you are almost always ahead on the river, standard value bet. Flop bet should have been much higher, your playing live 2/5 not 10/20 online, your not going to induce a bluff so just get max value 80 to 120 seems appropriate depending on table feel.

Turn flat is awful IMO, you don't have to shove but def need to be raising here, like making it 250 more, ensuring she calls (incorrectly) with any flush cards and probably her A, this also ensures your river value bet will be for stacks

Amazingly, the only street which i liked was your pre-flop raise, seems fine. BTW stop spending so much time showing ppl how tight you are, they dont care/notice. Dont bluff them, just value bet them
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07-28-2010 , 01:52 AM
if you reraise her c/r I think she's stacking off here most times
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07-28-2010 , 01:10 PM
"i went so far to show how tight i was by show and folding AQs to a limp/3bet
reason for that was to bluff later and not be bluffed"
I could be misreading this but if you are showing how tight you are won't that encourage them to bluff you more? I don't think there's too much good that can come from showing "big folds."
If your image was really super-tight...I am ok with the PF raise as long as you think the other players are aware enough of how you've been playing and are at least decent...
I agree that the bet sizing is pretty bad on the flop...with stacks that deep you want to build the pot to get as much money in as possible...pretty much no one is going to fold an ace here to one bet
On the turn again bet more...you and the villian are both deep and your goal should be to stack her...I would also reraise her...you essentially have the nuts and you don't want to give her a reason to fold a 3 or AJ when the river comes a scare card.
i think you have to v-bet the river, there are very few flushes in her range and almost no full houses...however given your tight image i would expect her to fold her ace hands and only call when she has a 3
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