2/5 nl maryland live
have been at the table for about 2 hours

Pretty standard hand but I just wanted to make sure I played this right.
Hero usually plays 1/2NL but decides to play 2/5 to avoid a waitlist and jumps right into a game. Buys in for 500.

Game is playing pretty standard have seen only a handful of three bets with only monsters: KK, AA, AK. Decent amount of limping going on, table hasnt been aggressive, besides a player who claims to play higher stakes but he isn't involved in the hand.

V1 UTG+1 (covers) haven't seen him open much but hero called second pair on a board of 895ss 2x 3x. Have seen him raise over limpers a few times.
V2 UTG+2 (350ish) calling down light and playing 50% of hands mostly limping.
V3 UTG+3 (covers) NIT asian player have seen him open a few times but hasn't gone to showdown. Shuts down when misses the board. Said he folded AQ UTG to V1 3-bet to 65. Has been folding alot.
Hero(UTG) (500 effective) has been playing pretty standard opening with good hands raising to 15-25 pre-flop and c-bet about 70% of the time. Haven't gotten out of line. Won some small pots.

Hero looks down at KK UTG and limps, V1 makes it 25 to go, V2 quickly calls, V3 stops to think then raises to 105, it folds around to Hero what should I do?

call

open raise pre

Make it 225 / call.

Open pre also, no limping with KK.

4!/call. Play fast any non ace flop. If he has AA oh well. We are 100bb deep and will have a nice SPR to GII with KK.

Limp raise at this table is pretty brutal.

If we call odds are it will be multi-way.

With KK, even if we are good now (we probably are) we might not like that.

4! IMO.

Don't l/rr KK when you're not at a table with maniacs guaranteed to raise behind you.

This spot is kinda awkward. Even if KK is ahead of their ranges, when we 4b, the Villain who 3b likely only continues w/ AA. I mean seriously, what is a nit going to think our range is when we open limp/4b UTG? We basically gii against AA and win ~$160 otherwise. There's no way V3's 3b range here is wide enough for this to be extremely +EV.

Calling is likely the only way we end up getting value from worse; it's just a question of how much equity we give up by letting V3's range see a flop. I don't think this flop going multiway is a disaster for us given SPR and V1 & V2's continuing ranges. They don't have correct odds to setmine against us (though V1 might against V3 depending on stacks). We really only lose equity from V1/V2 calling when they have an ace, V3 doesn't have an ace, and V3 would check down an ace-high flop HU.

I see your point.

But surely with 3 Villains, one of them will have an A?

Raise and gii pre-flop if you can. I would not have limped KK, but if I had, I'm never folding now and I'm not just calling.

Have you tried playing Parcheesi instead? Or maybe Chutes and Ladders is more your speed.

I think there are times when we can fold KK pre, but after you limp UTG I don't think it's possible.

I should have done it once against a guy I absolutely knew had AA. There was no doubt in my mind. However, I couldn't do it so I just called his 4-bet. Thanks goodness he couldn't fold AA when a K hit the flop

Also, folding AQ UTG to a 3-bet is not the sign of a NIT -- it's just the correct play.

lolwhat, how are you folding here? Give him the $$ if he's got AA. As played probably just shove given stack sizes since it widens your range to like 77+/AQ+ while a 4b to $225ish screams KK/AA since I doubt you ever do that with any other hand.

I assumed OP was asking about 4b vs. call. I mean, we can pretty easily show that jamming > folding. I just don't think either 4b or call is hugely +EV against V3's range.

Alright I didn't mention this but after looking at my hand I noticed V1 was getting chips for an open, which he hasn't done before. He held his cards in a different way and seemed that he was expecting me to fold, so I decided to just limp and 3-bet if he raised. I open AK, KK, AA utg for atleast 25-35 when I play 2/5 which isn't often, I don't really limp at any level that I play especially when i'm this shallow(100bb). I didn't think mentioning this was relevant as the other players obv wouldn't know that I saw this.

Also I didn't mention that when V3 folded AQ he mentioned that if it was AK he would have been all in when someone else thought he said he folded AK. I wasn't sure if he was serious but I thought about this during the hand.

I was thinking that if I 4-bet small that I am basically committing myself as I would have less than a psb left, or I could 4-bet all in and as Jay said that I basically get called by Aces. I'm winning the 160 in the pot now by 4-betting or giving people the opportunity to hit if I call, and won't be 100% on where im at if an Ace flops or if it goes multi way. With my SPR I would happily get it in on most flops though.

4 bet pre to $225....all-in on flop with no A on board...easy game. With 2 V's behind you yet to act...should never be flatting the 3-bet...

Don't like limping pre either with KK....

LOL

The only time you fold KK preflop is if you know, not just afraid of, he has AA. If you have to ask on 2+2 if you should have folded, the answer is no.

shove. you have exactly what you hoped for with KK when you limped pre.

Result- I thought for a minute and shoved for approx 500, v1 folds, v2 folds, v3 calls with red aces and I brick out

I wasn't really considering folding but was thinking between the min 4bet or shove. I didn't want to 4bet fold thought if the flop came ace high so I just decided to shove.

However after the hand I was thinking how often V really pays off with worse as hes really limited to Aces here if he continues after I 4bet. When deeper(200bb+) I think I would have 4bet and folded to a shove against this particular V because I think this player might even just call the bet pre with a hand as strong as Jacks.

When playing 1/2 I basically never fold Kings pre so I was just checking to see what the majority thought about this.

how did the board run out?

If you raised pre, and he 3bet you, would you think because he's a big nit he might have aces and flat? or would you 4bet-click-it-back/(fold??) to him?

the only people to fold kings to would be nits, especially if they're all over an ace high flop. If you open raised you may have had an out postflop

the moral of the story is: don't limp/rr kings (unless you were sure laggy people around the button will always raise 100%)

raise pre

as played get it in but don't be that guy who limps his monsters

I'm going to lock this. If you feel you need more information, I suggest reading Cry Me a River's seminal thread on "should I fold KK pf" in the micro FR forum stickies.