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2/5 NL Flop Decision with KK 2/5 NL Flop Decision with KK

11-27-2013 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by snappo
Meh, that's a pretty tight range. And there's a significant difference between his range calling a 3-bet OOP (when he had AA), and his range calling a 3-bet IP (one that's too small too) and he has a 3rd guy in the hand (original preflop caller) giving him more odds.

If you even add AQ to his range, which I don't think is unreasonable:


Board: QJ7
*******Equity*****Win*****Tie
MP2****45.45%**43.45%***2.00%*{ KdKc }
MP3****54.55%**52.55%***2.00%*{ JJ+, AQs, AQo }

So yes if he has nothing but sets/overpairs, it's a fold. But quite literally if you add any other hands whatsoever to his range, it's a call. So unless you have a read that he's very nitty I think it's a call.
Really good point. Guess it just boils down to your read. I'm folding still. If he shove hands like AQ, he doesn't have a very good read on our Hero...

....unless he thinks he can get Hero to lay down the types of hand he has. That's interesting. If he does have AQ, it makes it less likely Hero has QQ, AA, and with Hero never 3B JJ in this spot Villain could have quite brilliantly nailed Hero to AK/KK. He folds out one gets a load of folds out of other (due to image) and if gets some calls he knows he has outs. Hmmm. I'm still weighted towards JJ-AA but maybe AQ can actually be added into his range, as a kind of weirdish bluff. AQs at least
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11-27-2013 , 09:31 PM
Well guys I really do appreciate all of the analysis and advice. I agree that my 3-bet sizing was bad and I agree with a lot of points made by both camps, those saying fold and those saying call.

I guess its about time for me to post results so here it goes:

I ended up folding. After my session was over and I racked up to leave I stopped by villain's seat and asked him what he had and he told me he had a set of 7's.... I agree'd with a lot of you guys that I really didn't think 7's were a part of his range given the snap call pre-flop for about 15% of effective stacks but apparently it was. He said he put me on a big pair and thought if he flopped a set he would get my stack. Guess I ended up on the good side of that strategy lol.

Thanks again for all of the discussion, I'm glad to see live low stakes still going strong with some quality strat talk.
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11-27-2013 , 11:13 PM
130-140 pre. Fold flop after c/r. Opening 6x, snap calling a 3bet and then c/r'ing this board is going to be heavily weighted towards sets.
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