New 2/5 table just started. No reads. Everyone has $500.00.

Hero in BB. Villain in EP.

Villain opens to 15. One caller in LP. Hero calls with 87. Three way to flop.

Flop ($45): Q, Q, 2

Hero checks. Villain leads for $30. Folds back to Hero. Hero calls.

Turn ($105): 10

Hero checks, Villain bets $70. I read him weak at this point and proceed with the plan. Hero raises to $175. Villain tank calls.

River ($455): 6

Hero ships.

Thoughts?

If you are going to represent the Q, you need to bet a bit larger on the turn. I'd go 200-220 or so, which sets you up for an easy shove on the river. In addition, I'd go ahead and lead out the turn rather than c/r. That''s what most live players do because they are afraid to lose the bet - so it would look more familiar to him. Then, when you bet on the river, it looks even stronger, and now he has to beat a Q and 22.

As played, when he calls I'd put him squarely on a PP. It pretty hard for you to represent the flush here, and it's harder for you to have JJ, 10-10, 99 given the flat preflop.

Given that, it's the rare live player that would fold that on such a dry board. They didn't drive all the way down to the card room to fold...

Without reads, I'd swallow my pride here and c/f. If you shove he's getting 2.7-1 or so, and I just don't see him folding that much. The only way is if he got stubborn with AK etc. I'd almost expect him to call with 33 here.

What hand calls your turn c/r, but will fold to a river bet that's similar in size, and after a pretty safe card comes off the deck?

If you can come up with a long list of such hands, then shove away. Otherwise...

running 0 equity bluffs one needs a strong read. this thread is made bc we dont have that.

Massive spew.

Nothing else needs to be said.

where can you find a 2/5 game where everyone starts with $500? was it short with all regs or something?

and yeah, sick spew.

My thoughts are that this is some serious spew.

Calling from the Bb is cool but on the flop you have 8 high lol.
I would wait for a different spot. I mean, you don't even beat most of his bluffs.

LOL, sick spew OOP with absolutely no idea where your at.

There are significantly better hands with which we can float this board texture with. 87 doesn't even have a back door straight draw.

not a good float since 1. you are bb and can have lots of flush draws. 2. villain is ep. You want to do this when villain has a weak range and you don't have much air/draws when you call the flop bet.

I think it's likely he has broadway cards. It's completely possible he plays a Q that way. He could have AT or KT a decent amount of time. He could have cbet the flop and picked up a flush draw on the turn. AA and KK are also well within his range.

I guess you might fold out KT or JT some % of the time, but I think you're getting called here enough to make this -EV.

I don't like the pf call first hand at the table to begin with; you're OOP with 8-high and you have no clue about anybody's ranges and tendencies. (Or, put another way, you have no hand, no position, no initiative, no reads.) What's the plan postflop, to represent a monster on any scary board?

Think about the hand this way:

If you had QJ in this spot, would you expect to get the villain stack if you took this line?

If the answer is yes to number one then it's a bad bluff to make. Because it's a value line that you would take, and you wouldn't expect the V to really think about it that might and just pay you off.

Would you take this line with any hand that you would want value with ever?