V1: guy in his late 20s, just sat down an orbit ago, seems pretty splashy tho.
me: i am also guy in late 20s, probably viewed as tag.

V1: 500
Hero: covers

3 limps starting from mp, i have KK in SB and raise to 35, 3 calls.

($145) flop: 552

Hero bets 75, 2 folds, V1 takes 30+ seconds before calling to close the action.

($145) turn: 552 5

Hero checks?


i think he has air a lot after tanking so long on the flop, so i'm wondering

is checking > betting here?

I don't think a check is bad. What's your plan if he bets though? C/c? C/r? What's the river plan?

plan being to ch/call turn and then ch/c all in otr (or ch/r if he bets less than all in), possibly shoving on a 2

Since we have no read on v other than splashy I guess we are supposed to assume he has 5x in his range??? But we don't know his bluff tendencies or his station tendencies or whether he overvalues hands.

Further it's doubtful villain views us as anything after an orbit. So we shouldn't be thinking "he thinks I'm tag".

He should have some pps in his range but might be best to chk to him see if he bets and call him down. Or bet river if turn checks through. If we don't know him to be a bluffer or to overvalue hands I think we are calling reasonable bets and c/f river.

lol @ ch/folding river

I assume that we are checking the turn for deception, never for pot control or any sort of worry about not having the best hand anymore.

I might raise bigger pre flop. I default to 5x +1/limper and I might add one since I'm OOP. But that's just nit picky.

Check call can be pretty good here if we think that he will bluff the turn often. Or if we think that he will give up on 66-99 here when we fire again.

But I would default to betting again. This is a great board to want to get stacks in on.

Pot has $300 in it, and we have $390 left to get into the pot. We can do $160 or so on the turn, and ship the river for $230 into $520 making it hard for V to fold getting 3.5:1 on his money.

295 pot on turn? bet 125, then rest on river.

if we check we are never getting stacks in unless dude ends up with bigger FH on river or dude is really bad.

Yeah that was intended to be b/f river when turn checks thru.

Yes turn check is for river value IMO. If we think we can get 3 streets that's fine but I think we fold villain ott usually when we lead.

Bet the turn.. I don't like a check here because if any card but a 2 3 or 4 peels off you can't be certain your man didn't make a bigger full house or spike an Ace after a flop float. Betting gives a chance for Villain to ship it or get you both committed so you don't have to try to make a read like that on the river. Make it easy on yourself, and hope that it gets shipped on the turn

If you're worried about V hitting his 4% 2 outter, you're in the wrong game.

villains at this level LOVE to put us on AK since we raised preflop.

once he calls our flop bet, he is putting us on AK...

We need to bet every street. 75 on flop, 125 on turn, 200-ish on river

in fact, if our intent is to show weakness, best way to show weakness in this spot is to bet the same bet on the turn that we bet on the flop, 75. That gives V plenty of rope to hang himself. He can call putting us on AK or he can even raise us so that we don't suck out on him and beat his 33 - TT which should be an ENORMOUS part of his range in this spot. We also leave the door open for him to bluff with over cards since our weak ass turn bet more or less screams we are trying to win with AK but we don't have any balls to bet big....

yeah, more I think about it, more I like betting 75 on the turn.

but regardless, we have to bet SOMETHING on the turn since V called our flop bet. Once he calls our flop bet, he will call a weak turn bet and a weak turn bet can induce him to be awesome and raise or to be paranoid about us sucking out on him and raise...


So two lines here:
--Take a standard line and bet 75, 125, 225
--Try to induce by betting 75, 75....
if he calls the turn bet of 75 and river is a brick, we can actually think about shoving because that would look super bluffy on the river and allow him to be awesome and hero call us with 33 - TT...

This.