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04-25-2014 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneyline
So back to nddst's original question. Since, I expect button to call a turn check/raise with top pair good kicker or better, made hands that I'm check/raising the turn with are: trips, a boat, and AK.
OK. What I think they're saying is that trips+boats are so rare that leaves only AK; AK is unlikely as well given an ace on the board. So I think they're saying the whole value CR range is unlikely so you have a left a bunch of bluffs CRing. Of course only a good player would realize that AND have the balls to call off.
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04-25-2014 , 11:11 AM
Is she sticky pre? If I think he's calling all suited aces than I'm barreling to rep a big ace. If he's only calling pre with big aces then check call. Clearly you've picked up more outs and it's a great card to continue your semi bluff. A very large percentage of the time I'm bombing this turn for fold equity, and if I'm raised obviously I'm getting it in... Cheers
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04-25-2014 , 11:22 AM
1. Seems most people like the double barrel. But it seems people are divided about 50/50 on whether to give up or triple barrel if river bricks. Interesting...

2. What do you guys think about a passive check-call line OTF? What are its pluses and minuses vs the aggressive "bet" line I took?
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04-25-2014 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
Paired boards are not ideal for cbetting OOP, as V can float as well as simply call IP with pp that beat the board, ie 77-TT in this particular spot. AP, the cbet is even less ideal as there aren't many favorable turn cards that don't either complete the draw or hit V's continuation range. I check for a free card in this spot with the intention of c/f river.
+1... I'm exercising some pot control and keeping the pot small on this flop by checking. Betting this 2 or 3 streets is a very high variance spot and -EV I believe given dynamics and many times see 2/5 players call down with any A in these spots. Betting flop and checking turn OOP is horrible....
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04-25-2014 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by -Edde
Well I feel if hes been sticky post hes not folding an A (which i believe will be the majority of his range here) obv not a 6 but its hard for him to have that maybe a PP 77-KK but really hes probably not folding that either if hes a non-believer of you.

I think a better play would be a check then, if he bets, RAI for the following reasons:

- If he bets it will be in the 100-120 range it makes a nice all in amount (430ish?) over the top
- His range when betting the turn is usually a lot of aces which may not want to stack off against you here. Obviously he isnt folding a 6 or a FH but i feel that part of his range is significantly smaller than aces
- Hes going to check back PPs most of the time so you will realise your equity when he has that (probably check/fold if you miss or bet if you hit a straight/flush)
- If he semibluffs with a higher flush draw he isnt getting the right price to call against your all-in which is one of the hands he will call and get your stack when you both makes flushes OTR
-When your opponent calls you still have decent equity against all hands except FH and higher FDs (but as stated above he it is unlikely he can call with a better FD if you take this line)

This line is really dependent on whether this player will give you credit for a big hand when you take this line because it does look fairly bluffy
I agree with these statements. You noted in your description of V that he as picked up on your high frequency of c-bets. If this is true, and he has started to play back at you, i believe a turn c/shove is going to be the best play a high percentage of the time.

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Originally Posted by Olaff
If we bet turn, get called and river bricks. Then what?
At this point i think its safe to give up. We want to end this hand on the turn and if we brick river, shoving isn't going to work often enough for it to be a profitable play.

Last edited by ValueMiss; 04-25-2014 at 05:57 PM.
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