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2/5 NL: B/F, B/C or C/C River With Bottom Set OOP? 2/5 NL: B/F, B/C or C/C River With Bottom Set OOP?

08-31-2015 , 10:16 AM
So playing OOP sucks, we all know that. I find the river to be especially ****ty sometimes however. Hero just doubled up off an aggro girl but I've only been at the table for 15 minutes so my reads on the other players are non-existant. (Aggro girl was primary target).

Effective stacks of $1000. Hero is in the BB. V is UTG+1.

V limps UTG+1
Aggro girls limps BTN (she normally comes in for a raise)
SB completes
Hero checks 22 in the BB

Pot: $20

Flop: 2 5 Q

SB checks
Hero bets $15
V calls
BTN folds, SB folds

Pot: $50

Turn: T

Hero bets $40
V calls $40

Pot: $130

River: 7

Hero bets $80
V raises to $230
Hero?

Standard bet/fold? Check/call? Bet/call since there isn't a ton better out there? I see a lot more river raising at 2/5 at my local room then 1/2 and 1/3 and I am probably not adjusting properly.
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08-31-2015 , 10:26 AM
Ouch. I'm either bet/calling or check/calling. However, you have no reads on this player, so check/call is probably best until you have some idea of how they play -- you get to see their hand and you don't get blown off yours.

As played, I have a hard time folding a set here, but random players rarely raise a river like this without a flush. It would be so helpful to know if he can bluff here.
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08-31-2015 , 10:49 AM
def b/f'ing. Maybe betting a little more since he's calling us down.

what type of player is UTG? I don't think he limped Q5o. So he's not doing this with two pair. QT? maybe, but will he raise that much with 3 's?

other reasonable limps include 55, AQ, QT, KQ & JQ.

you made a value sized bet and usually most players won't raise with 3 's. I would puke and then fold but it depends on the player.
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08-31-2015 , 10:51 AM
Looks fine now fold. Definitely bet/fold >>> c/c
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08-31-2015 , 11:05 AM
Didn't realize the flush come in and was like wtf is this thread about. Looks like a b/f here.

If the river was an offsuit 7, are you guys 3betting or just calling the raise?
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08-31-2015 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold
Didn't realize the flush come in and was like wtf is this thread about. Looks like a b/f here.

If the river was an offsuit 7, are you guys 3betting or just calling the raise?
Readless against average live players probably making a small river 3bet and folding is better than just calling

But raise/folding requires so much discipline I might just call
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08-31-2015 , 01:23 PM
It's gross but I think it's a fold. A5dd or Q9dd seem most likely hand types.

I would expect two pair hands to raise turn.

You beat 57 but that is really thin and seems like it folds the turn a lot.
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08-31-2015 , 01:36 PM
I think it's close between b/3b and b/call if offsuit 7.

The only worse Hand we could get called by IMO is QT. 9 combos. 5d7d specifically also. 10 combos total.

Stuff we lose to an value own ourselves. 55. QQ. TT. 18 combos.

I leave it to everyone to use their own intuition as to how much we should discount these 18. QQ raises pre sometimes, sets raise flop or turn sometimes. Probably need to discount QT to some extent also bc no turn raise.
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09-01-2015 , 09:08 AM
I've been having some trouble bet/folding the river at 2/5. On the flop or turn I can usually get away from it pretty easily, but if I've made it to the turn with a pretty strong hand I've had some difficulty. I've noticed a lot more river raising at 2/5 than at 1/2 and 1/3 so it's something I'm going to have to quickly adapt to. The good news is, people are often getting to the river with no pair and just a non-nut draw, so there is money to be made double barreling and value betting the flop and turn hard.

Results

Spoiler:
Hero calls
Villain shows K8 for the flush
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09-01-2015 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by progress
I think it's close between b/3b and b/call if offsuit 7.

The only worse Hand we could get called by IMO is QT. 9 combos. 5d7d specifically also. 10 combos total.

Stuff we lose to an value own ourselves. 55. QQ. TT. 18 combos.

I leave it to everyone to use their own intuition as to how much we should discount these 18. QQ raises pre sometimes, sets raise flop or turn sometimes. Probably need to discount QT to some extent also bc no turn raise.
The bolded is wrong btw. Its 9 combos not 18. 3 of 55, 3 of QQ, 3 of TT. Total of 9. Sorry for confusion. Also, K8 wow. Bummer Johnny.
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