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2/5 NL with AQ against clueless lady 2/5 NL with AQ against clueless lady

05-03-2014 , 10:52 AM
Hero ($600): white 30's winning TAG player. Card dead so was playing tight but started to see some hands so raised PF 3 out of last 4 hands.

V1 ($400): 50 year old lady...only been at table about 5 hands. Seems pretty stationy and nervous to be at table. Just seen her call a raise then fold...that's it.

V2 ($1500): white 30's...competent player. Been playing solid TAG.

Hero raises to $20 UTG +1 with AQo (been varying raise sizes from $20-$30)....V2 calls on left and V1 calls from SB.

Flop ($65) AQ3

Hero checks, V2 bets $20, V1 flats....Hero reraises to $70. V2 folds and V1 calls.

Turn ($225) T

Hero bets out $180??? Was putting lady on AJ or hoping AT at this point...didn't want to scare her off by putting her all-in w/@$300 on turn....but given stack sizes...put me in a weird spot.

Last edited by OSUTexan; 05-03-2014 at 11:01 AM.
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05-03-2014 , 11:01 AM
Its fine. Given the wetness of the board you have to deny her drawing odds. If the board was dryer I could see going a bit less. This size also sets up a river shove she will have a hard time folding a weaker hand to.
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05-03-2014 , 12:29 PM
Preflop: Fine I guess. What was your plan if you get one or two good, LAG callers? You're going to be in for a world of hurt post flop sometimes. $45-$65 in the pot and they'll have a lot of bluff equity against you as you cannot put ~$500 into a $45-65 pot if you're lucky enough to flop top pair. Consider opening for $30.

Flop: I lead out here. There's a LOT of J10, KJ, K10 in their ranges. These are probably hands that are done unless they hit their straight, meaning we gain nothing by slow playing versus these particular hands. As played, this is too small. You have to figure a draw is likely for at least one player, though it's possible one player has an ace and one has a queen. Against the draws (either gut shots or flush draws), your tiny raise offers 3.2-1 immediate odds. V1 will be getting better odds of if V2 flats.

If either player has a flush draw, you are allowing them to correctly draw, unless you will always check/fold a spade turn.

If both players have just an ace or queen, then this is fine sizing.

If either player has an inside straight draw, they need to win another ~$300 off you to break even by drawing. Do you plan to get all in on a K, J, or 10 turn? If you do, your bet allows then to profitably draw.

Conclusion: Raise larger on the turn. The only scenario in which $70 is fine is if BOTH players are not on draws or if you plan to make a big lay down later if a possible draw comes in.
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05-03-2014 , 01:57 PM
I like $25 pre in EP.

I prefer leading flop $50. C/r isn't bad, but I'd make it bigger. $90 or so.


Turn is too big unless you think she's bad enough to call with a FD here. $145 is fine I think.
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05-03-2014 , 02:39 PM
Bet flop. Checking 3 way many times ends up chkd thru OR you scream strength when CR. This should be a std bet bet bet spot.
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05-03-2014 , 02:53 PM
Bet $45 - $50 on flop - because old lady who is bad is probably not betting. You got lucky that V2 bet because if he didn't this would of checked through. His bet is ******ed too and accomplishes nothing.

Turn card is fine and a good bet as played. you could also go smaller as she doesn't have much behind and that bet could scare her.

I'm probably betting the river too as I don't think she will bluff if she missed and will probably check back a lot of her one pair hands that she would call.
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05-03-2014 , 02:54 PM
I call racism labelling players "white"

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05-04-2014 , 06:54 AM
Why are you opening a RIO hand like AQo in EP 125bb deep? You flopped gin, and V as described is not folding Ax so just fire 3/4PSB to PSB and shove all non-spade rivers. AP you should c/r pot at least (85) but I think you can make it like 110 here and still get a call this way you fire 220 OTT and river is an easy call for V when you shove 250 into ~700.

Also, not to be overly critical but your self description as TAG, but playing tight due to being card dead is simply playing TAG. You should still be opening and cbetting selectively in LP regardless of your "cards".
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05-04-2014 , 09:31 AM
Your flop raise generally looks super strong, so when you bet turn I think AQ might be the bottom of your range, but idk if V knows that. If V calls the turn I think we have to him V credit for a strong hand, AK min imo. I'm still never folding given stack sizes.
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05-04-2014 , 01:44 PM
The flop c/r looks totally FPS to me. Was there a reason to think V2 was very likely to bet? This flop checking through is horrible for us. SPR is about 6 against V1. If she has Ax and can't fold, we can stack her with a b/b/b line. That's going to be unlikely when the flop checks through.

As played, curious why we're not including flush draws in her range ott. Turn bet is fine imo. If we go much less than that, it's correct for her to call with too many Kxs/Jxs/Txs/spade wheel draw hands.
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05-04-2014 , 04:39 PM
I hate check raises in spots like this, you completely blow your opponents off AJ and other garbage Ax hands that would want to call down and hope to get lucky against you and hit their garbage 2 pair. It also turns your hand face up as monster and I wonder what you do when you whiff flops after raising preflop. I seriously doubt you likewise c/r your whiffed flops. Anyways...

Because you c/r flop I suspect you've blown out a lot of her AJ and AT and any other garbage Ax hands she might have had. You are now left with exclusively flush draws, AQ, AK, and a set of 3s.

As played, turn bet is fine. But man do I really just absolutely hate that flop c/r Rather you just led out $45.
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05-04-2014 , 06:26 PM
Flop check seems bad with only one player behind unless he likes to stab in position. Given that you gave no reads, betting flop >>>> checking. As played, the c/r is too small. You're giving V2 3.5:1 on a call, and V1 will be getting 2.5:1 if V2 calls. Make it $100 OTF and you can shove vs. V1 on the turn. Once you get to the turn like this, probably betting $150 and jamming safe rivers.
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05-04-2014 , 10:57 PM
Yeah c/r is bad here. We risk missing out on a street of value against the lady and let the tag off the hook with his AJ/AK hands. As played $180 is too big. I would go $150.
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05-05-2014 , 11:13 AM
After reading...definitely think I should've just bet out flop and turn...appreciate the input everyone.
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