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04-14-2014 , 04:35 AM

Olaff

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$500 eff. I have AQ in BB. MP makes it $25, HJ calls, CO calls, I call.

Flop: Q98r Pot ~ $100 I lead out $60. Only CO calls after asking me how many bills I have. CO is a spewy LAG. He likes to see a lot of flops. He also likes to bluff big sometimes. I've seen his huge river bluff (reraise) get snapped off a couple of hands ago. He's capable of bluff raising street on any street and I've seen him do it multiple times.

Turn: 3 Pot ~ $220 I bet $120. CO puts me all in for $295 more.

You and why?

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04-14-2014 , 04:47 AM

RyanAA44

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AQo or suited?

I would raise AQo in BB to 90-100 since AQ generally doesn't play well multi way and we are OOP.
Our turn bet seems low... I would go closer to pot size. Same with flop.

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04-14-2014 , 06:35 AM

Kyle21

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Yeah I agree with Ryan.

If you have AQo you have to 3 bet this. Although I would 3 bet to $150.

I don't like the lead into 3 players oop otf.

As for turn if he is spewy you can call but I don't like how you played it.

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04-15-2014 , 12:50 PM

Olaff

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3-bet AQ into a raise and 2 calls? I don't think so. Anyway I called and he had 93o.

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04-15-2014 , 01:18 PM

TheGramuel

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Originally Posted by Olaff

3-bet AQ into a raise and 2 calls? I don't think so. Anyway I called and he had 93o.

Depends on your read on MP. If he's active you can 3b a lot here.

You're obviously way ahead of CO's range (I am snapping off a pre-flop back-shove from him fwiw).

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04-15-2014 , 01:31 PM

DaYu

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Originally Posted by Olaff

3-bet AQ into a raise and 2 calls? I don't think so.

I think you're misunderstanding the reasons for 3betting. The fact that 2 players called the raise makes 3betting even more profitable than if it were a HU situation.

When we take down the pot PF, we win a very nice pot. I'd 3bet to $120-$135, assuming MP is capable of raising PF with hands that are not KK+

When our 3bet gets called, we still are ahead of most ranges.

HOWEVER, I'm okay with flatting, since CO sounds like a donk, and we want to keep him in the hand.

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04-15-2014 , 02:05 PM

beauvanlaanen

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Originally Posted by Kyle21

Can you please explain why we would have to 3 bet AQo and not AQs. This seems wrong.

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04-15-2014 , 02:38 PM

kushgerb

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

Can you please explain why we would have to 3 bet AQo and not AQs. This seems wrong.

Not sure that we would "have" to but typically AQs plays well and flops much better multiway vs AQo which plays much better heads up.

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04-15-2014 , 03:13 PM

MackCorl

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Originally Posted by DaYu

I think you're misunderstanding the reasons for 3betting. The fact that 2 players called the raise makes 3betting even more profitable than if it were a HU situation. .

This.

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04-15-2014 , 03:17 PM

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wj94

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3b pre to $125.

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04-15-2014 , 03:20 PM

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Dirty313

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3bet

as played c/eval flop

c/c most of the time and if it goes bet then raise or bet then ship we can easily fold

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04-15-2014 , 03:35 PM

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Olaff

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Are we 3-betting for value or for bluff? If for value then we should be ahead of raiser/callers ranges. The ranges are mostly PPs which we are not ahead of. What exactly are we ahead of? AJ and AT? KQ? So it doesn't seem like this is a 3-bet for value. And the PPs like 88+ who flatted will most likely flat our 3-bet too - so there's no fold equity either. I just don't see how this 3-bet is +EV.

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04-15-2014 , 03:39 PM

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Playbig2000

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it's not an automatic 3bet, it would depend on the MP's opening range, and if there is a nit or two who called behind. However if he is raising any two broadways, sc's, small pockets, I would 3bet to about 165 or a bet that would get it heads up. If he is semi-tight, I would fold. Calling would be the most less ev cho8ce.

I don't like donking out on the flop, which is draw heavy with 3 people left to act.

bet/calling 415 into 220 on the turn to me is overplaying the hand, even though he is capbable of bluffing.

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04-15-2014 , 03:43 PM

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Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by Olaff

we are not 3betting for value, we're stealing the initiative away from MP and forcing him to hit the flop if he calls. It has nothing to do with being ahead or behind.

If 88 calls us to see a flop after we 3bet, that is +EV all the way. He only hits a set once in nine and a half flops. I am not hoping everyone folds, I actually hope someone calls to try to hit their hand so I make more money

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04-15-2014 , 04:08 PM

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Triple7quinn

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Originally Posted by Olaff

I guess the best way to describe the 3-bet would be to call it a semi-bluff. No you aren't getting any worse hands to call you, however you are getting some hands with slightly better equity to fold (smaller pocket pairs). The extra equity you pick up from those hands folding + increased FE on further streets (repping a monster) + AQo equity as is > AQo equity as is + (implied odds postflop - RIO postflop). Would anyone more knowledgable than myself would like to correct/analyze that reasoning? Not sure if thats the right thought process, but that is how I would go about analyzing if the 3b is the right play.

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04-15-2014 , 05:58 PM

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AmazingErvin

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Not gonna go deep in this because 10 people already told you the right play. 3bet, if you don't understand why re-read their responses until you do

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04-15-2014 , 07:19 PM

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Garick

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OP, not going to edit it out now, as it's been there too long, but please don't post results so quickly in the future.

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04-15-2014 , 10:59 PM

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DaYu

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Originally Posted by Olaff

Huh? By this logic, we wouldn't 3bet AK either... Which is clearly wrong.

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