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Old 03-25-2019, 08:36 PM   #26
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Re: 2/5 NL - Advice on a few spots from last session

H1 and 2 seem like clear calls, though i agree for 2 it is close

3 i prob fold without a read
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:11 PM   #27
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Got it. Thanks, appreciate it. If I reraise and get called, am I calling a jam on non-diamond rivers? If he shoves over my reraise, am I calling?
Yes and Yes
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:57 AM   #28
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If I flat call and he fires a blank river, does he have the nut flush or just bluffing with the Ad. Do you really learn anything?
The information we get is the river bet, which indicates he has the NF more times than not. Obviously, this is player dependent, and in this case, we have no reads on the opponent.

In your experience, would an unknown player do this with a lower flush (Q-high) or a hand like AdTx? If so, you should call.
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:17 AM   #29
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The information we get is the river bet, which indicates he has the NF more times than not. Obviously, this is player dependent, and in this case, we have no reads on the opponent.

In your experience, would an unknown player do this with a lower flush (Q-high) or a hand like AdTx? If so, you should call.
100% wrong. The river bet does not indicate he has the nut flush more times than not. Hes going to have lots of other smaller flushes and Jx trying to force you off of a chop. If hes a spazz he could have other hands as well.

But even if it DID indicate it he had the nuts more times than not, and even if he makes a large overbet jam on the river, which would be $680 into a $440 pot, we would be getting 2.5:1 on a call so "more times than not" is STILL not good enough reason to fold.

You talk about things being player dependent, the ONLY way I'm folding this is if this specific player is known to ONLY play the nuts this way. We have no such read so folding this makes me want to puke.

I played a 6 hour session yesterday where the last 3 hours I didnt make a single Top pair or better hand ....and you want to fold the second nut flush in a huge pot, where you are the preflop raiser in EP and dont have the Ad meaning you have few flushes in your range? Complete insanity.
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:34 AM   #30
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100% wrong. The river bet does not indicate he has the nut flush more times than not. Hes going to have lots of other smaller flushes and Jx trying to force you off of a chop. If hes a spazz he could have other hands as well.

But even if it DID indicate it he had the nuts more times than not, and even if he makes a large overbet jam on the river, which would be $680 into a $440 pot, we would be getting 2.5:1 on a call so "more times than not" is STILL not good enough reason to fold.

You talk about things being player dependent, the ONLY way I'm folding this is if this specific player is known to ONLY play the nuts this way. We have no such read so folding this makes me want to puke.

I played a 6 hour session yesterday where the last 3 hours I didnt make a single Top pair or better hand ....and you want to fold the second nut flush in a huge pot, where you are the preflop raiser in EP and dont have the Ad meaning you have few flushes in your range? Complete insanity.
If you re-read my reply, I advocated to the op that he should call if he feels an unknown takes this line - x/r turn, jam river w/Qhigh flush or the Ad blocker.

Sorry to hear about your 3 dry hours. Surprised a player with tons of volume has not gone through this before.

We don't have the Ad, which means the BB closing the action has all of the AdXd combos.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:11 AM   #31
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Re: 2/5 NL - Advice on a few spots from last session

Lol people arguing about folding the second nuts. BB has more baby flushes then nut flushes. He's the only one getting the price to play 23d, 34d, 45d, 56d,78d etc.

I'd never be worried about getting stacked in nut flush vs 2nd nut BB vs any position. I've maybe seen that situation once in the last year. So many other times they'll have a straight or smaller flush here on this texture. And a small flush will def raise for value because obvious straights.


Don't jam turn tho, that's burning money here. He's folding all straights, all baby flushes(If it's reg vs reg). The only way to get his stack in is to flat turn and pray for bricks. If a 4th diamond peels and he puts a huge bet in then we can consider folding.

Board pairs will likely scare him more then us, he would never raise us with a set on the turn. Most of the time we get his stack on the river here though.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:43 AM   #32
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Re: 2/5 NL - Advice on a few spots from last session

2/5 players are so spastic I don't think I'm folding any flushes. You need to factor in a 10-20% random bs factor in everything imo. If I get flush over flushed in an agro 2/5 game then good game. Take your cooler and move on.
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:03 PM   #33
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Old 03-26-2019, 12:09 PM   #34
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Wow, this forum is usually nitty but this is next-level.
meh i actually just think most of this forum hates to gamble. which is actually probably a good thing for a learning poker player. i think once considerable knowledge is attained, though, that might be a detriment.
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