Results for anyone interested: I folded. Of course the board runsout A, 9, no diamond. Irish kid shows 6d9d and asian woman shows KQo. The whole tably dynamic changed after this hand, as nobody really knew how bad she was until this showdown.

This is exactly why I hate AA UTG.

I guess it's fold or shove. If they flopped a set or get there on their draw, then congrats - nice hand. I think 80% of the time you still have the best hand here.

You really only are afraid of exactly 55 or 77 or I guess 7-5. If one of the villains had KK, they would likely reraise pre. So there are exactly 3 hands you're in bad shape against and many Kx and XdXd hands you're beating.

For me, from what you know about villains, how would they play KX or dd hands? I see an agro player raising either, especially if you have a propensity to C-bet. I also see a passive player calling. From what you wrote I would guess villain 1 has XXdd and Asian lady has Kx.

For future reference OP, I recommend raising to 5x when OOP in a lot of these games. A 4bb raise is rarely respected, and makes this a mess postflop being in such an uncomfortable position. I am much more likely to raise 4bb from MP on down to the button unopened. 5x makes hands easier to play postflop out of position in my experience at my 2/5 games

I just like the 65 better to keep in a KJ or k10 type of hand* especially from the asian girl

And I was really confused by the flat, it seems like AK, but you have the blockers, KQ did make sense, but given description really surprised asian girl flatted there with kq.

disagree here,

you opened UTG and then are cbetting this flop. any good player here is folding k10 kj to 80 IMO. I know I am a high % of the time.

i think mentally the 60 and 80 is a big difference with calling a marginal top pair

"Good players" aren't flatting preflop with KJ/KT against an EP raiser.

True bad wording on my part. Change that to mediocre players

Much easier in a mediocre players mind to call 20 in late position with a KJ/K10s type hand.

Then fold the flop when the UTG donk bets out 80

Easy to say now results are given but I am always happy when the kid sticks in 280 that sizing is never value. Readless the flat just makes me want to cry as its an easy flat for a capable player with a set and possibly k7, with effective stacks there is no FE and the kid can take another stab. But simply going on basic profiling stereotypes I think as we are facing an easily sufficiently high chance she is bad enough(IMHO) to flat k7 k5 KJ KQ AK (if she is flatting 280 she is flatting AK pre) and potentially even worse then its an easy call as I feel we are so strong against the kid (obviously no need to ship)

Obv I play scared money at 500nl and I shut down in massive pots so I fold too, but even if this somehow doesn't get to showdown so we dont see hands when I think about it later I regret it.

Yeah I agree the sizing here screams combo draw, too bad the lady had to flat and screw everything up for you OP.

I def agree. I'm not sure if I posted this in my OP, but the button in this hand had shown a tendency to squeeze over smaller raises after a couple calls, which factored into my raise size. My standard open for EP is 5x for all the reasons you stated

My intention w as to jam over the kid unless someone else came into the pot. Her flat is what stopped me since the kids most likely hand is a draw, but he could def have 55 or 77 here since I have no reads on him except physical appearance. Her hand was what I was more concerned about since if he has a combo draw and she has 2pair+ I'm basically drawing dead. Of course after I folded the turn is an A just to tease me lol

I made my previous post not realizing you posted the result. I should play with your $$$. FWIW: only a coin flip against agro kid's combo draw, but have to call with dead money in.

I don't necessarily agree with all these posts. I think shoving is a good play. You say V2 (lady) is passive so it is very possibly she could have any K. You have to remember amateurs playing 2-5 tens to over value their hands. If this lady is the type of person you described she could very easily be flatting with a KQ or KJ thinking its good. The aggro kid could have a big hand but most likely some kind of small connected draw type of hand maybe a combo draw. I think a fold is a little weak but either play is fine I guess. I wouldn't mind a shove

fold quickly

yes you occasionally see overcall with Kx from fish, so it's hard to say whether you would care about her call or not. the thing is the young gun can also be strong, i.e. you're flipping with a draw or just straight crushed

Fist pump jamming the irish kid. Sigh folding after the lady flats.

I think there is a big difference between $60 and $80 here. If we bet $60 we are practically begging to be repopped, which isn't a bad thing...but yea.

If we bet $80 we are folding out some worse value hands. But probably not much, as you can see. I see TPmehK calling bets like this all the time, being results oriented, we see ******ed strength shown, and KQ flatting. So the argument that KQ/KJ is folding to $80 is flawed. (once its called pre that is)

FWIW I like $75.