2/5, effective stacks about 600. Reads and table conditions: vil 1 is a young kid from ireland who is wearing the aggro young guy uniform. He sat down 2 hands ago so that's all I have. His friend is directly on my right and is pretty aggro for a live 2/5 game. Villain 2 is a cute asian girl who has been playing pretty passively. I've only seen her show down 2 hands, both of them TPTK that she's won. She folds a lot preflop and maybe plays 15-20% of her hands. The button on this hand has shown a propensity to squeeze IP, I've seen him do it 3x already.

I'm UTG with AdAc and I raise to 20 (hoping to get a few calls and a squeeze I get 4 calls, including the irish kid in MP and the asian woman in the HJ.

Pot: $107 Flop: Kd7d5c I lead for 80, irish kid raises to 280, asian woman flats. Action folds to me. What do you guys do here? And more importantly, why?

Fold. Heads up I'd probably shove against Irish kid as there are still 6 combos of ak. However u have the ace diamonds so nobody can have the flush draw so folding heads up is fine as well. Once the girl flats u are probably crushed by one or both of them as its very hard for both to have ak here or both to have draws

My initial impression was that the kid has some sort of draw based on his sizing. My main concern is the asian woman's flat call. I figured the minimum she has here is bottom two pair.

Heads up I shove but when Asian woman flats such a big raise she has a set every time, so I fold.

Interesting hand so far. Why cant girl have AK with Irish combo drawing? In this case here I can understand the 'you have to be good enough to fold AA' but it seems to me that we may not know enough to fold here. Does the girl 'know' enough that AK is no good here?

Yes its very possible that you are up against a set, 2 pr or heavy draw here against at least one of these players. I dont see the huge differnce between a HU fold v a 3-player fold based on the descriptions ... I think the key here is would the HJ 'limp' for $20 with a PP (not KK). Flip a coin IMO ... both your outs are live. GL

My thinking was that if the irish kid has a combo draw (I don't think he has Qx of diamonds here and he can't have the nfd) and the woman has 2 pair or better, I'm essentially dead. Best case is she has AK, which is unlikely since I have 2 aces, in which case its an obvious shove. But in my experience my equity is either around 40% or near 5%.

I can't be sure a tthis point whether the woman should know that AK is not that strong in this spot given the action, but I assume that she does.

I think you have to fold here. I would guess that one of them has a set. The Asian woman calling is the deciding factor. The Irish kid could easily have K/Q or A/K, but the tight Asian woman calling is a HUGE warning flag.

Fold. Also betting a bit less on flop. 80$ is just asking to get picked off by monster draws and 2p+ if villains aren't fishy. Gotta let top pair stick around

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What sizing do you think is optimal Pay? 65? 50?

Asian woman flatting is pretty bad.
Bare minimum is nut flush draw.
Sigh fold.

Is asian girl really only flatting with a set here though? and is she really calling preflop with a hand that would make 2 pair on this board? is 75s in here calling range preflop here?

I think everyone is giving a little too much credit here, is she not going to protect her monster hands here against the potential draws of the Irish Kid.

In the spot I guess I would fold, but I think its a lot closer than everyone thinks.

I am betting 65 here on the flop

Bet 65 crazy guy raises to 200 and Asian calls????? Same thing...

Really? Lets assume the most likely hands you're up against are a flush draw and a top pair hand. In this case you're 60% to win. You're folding here why? Because you think it would only play out like this if one of the villains had two pair plus?

Shove and be happy.

stacking, I have the Ad so no NFD out there. Betting 65 saves me 15 dollars I guess.
Dave, what kind of hands do you think she flats here? I was very confused too and went through the same thought process

Crap missed that.
Check shoving is better than betting 65$ lol but I'm laggy lol

Random, what about combo draws? Since I have the Ad I think he has more gutter/oesd+flush draws. I wasn't entirely sure of her calling range here, but that line is usually relatively strong ime. I do agree that she should raise her sets to protect her hand and gii vs the irish kid, but not everyone thinks that way

60 or 65

If image was crazy, betting 70 or 80 is great

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Did the girl tank at all? I think a live tell may be able to help you out here. If shes calling pretty quickly I think you have her beat because any set or 2pr has to considering stacking off here. I would be more concerned with v1 raise than her flat. I think I would end up stacking off here and not to see v1 show 7-5 off - no aggro kids ever flop sets right

Not unless it's a fouled deck

I don't see how betting $15-20 less on the flop makes it less likely for OP to be raised. If anything, a smaller flop bet makes it look more likely that OP is c-beting with a hand that can be pushed out with a raise.

If the Asian girl doesn't flat I'm shoving all day v. the Irish kid...based on your description his range should include all kinds of st8 and flush draws plus some combo draws...the flat is the problem, if she has AK she is terribad to flat (which is possible), whereas it seems more like a set trying to trap you. More history would be better but if she has shown up with big hands seems unlikely she would be flatting TPTK here with nearly half her stack...

He's saying that betting 80 allows villains to play perfectly against us by only continuing with big draws and two pairs+ and folding kx. Betting smaller gives villains a chance to make a bigger mistake by calling wih kx. Of course u still have to bet big enough to charge draws, 60-70 works well

You misunderstood... 60$ will keep all kx in, 80$ is a damn sizeable cbet into a sea of people. It may scare some Kx

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Almost no one calls a 4BB raise preflop with Kx just so they can fold to a pot-size c-bet when they flop TP. Likewise, almost anyone with Kx who is calling for $60 is calling for $80.