DGI just helped me on a similar AA spot and the post are so strong...I wanna be amazing one day lol.

I mean as i said earlier i wanted to fold the flop, but I just felt for that amount I had to see what he did on the turn. Honestly I dont fel folding on the flop is too bad more nitty.

I am not lost in the hand. If i had to bet money i would have bet he had a set, but i dont KNOW. When i call and he open shoves a brick i know its a bad player making a bad play.

As i see it, a player bad enough to check raise me with a set on that board is not going to all of the sudden slow down on the turn. Any range that is making a play, JJ-QQ, A-10 very well might slow it down on the turn after getting called on the flop.

This goes to show how wide the games can differ from one region to another. I have now asked about 40+ 2/5 players about how often they see flop check raises with top pair only (for significant portions of their stack and obv getting their stacks in with it as this guy was never ever folding), and the answer is like a broken record. (They hardly ever see it at all)

So wow, look at the differences in gameflows that we have. This questions answer will vary greatly depending on your locality and gameflow.

I have a really hard time folding AA on this board on days where my image is very aggressive with these stack sizes... why? Not because I am incapable, but because it's just incorrect to fold unless its vs a mubsy because they are doing so with worse for 80bb.

I have also seen a lot of Tight old men call with QQ/KK from the blinds only to c/raise a J high board and proudly flash over a overpair to the board vs me. So, for me JJ actually plays a lot worse than AA in this spot.

Add the fact that sets are hard to make and villains get off on slowplaying at my room, and for 80bb folding AA is bad here coupled with my image.

Ok but if youre playing against one of those oldmen, fine. I was playing against a new V who bought in short and had "i am spazzing" written all over his face.

So let's say you call the flop raise, which I did. Are you really calling a turn shove? The only hand he beats if he doesnt have the goods is AK and after you raised pre flop, bet the flop and then called his re raise, him shoving the turn means he knows he can beat way better than AK.

Even for the stack size, unless we have a read otherwise, aren't we putting the villain on better than one pair here? Forget MUBS, his line here is we are beat

I just answered your question basically in my post. AA plays > JJ for me at MY game, so yes I am probably calling most turns (or shoving the flop because again, I get called by worse. This probably doesn't help your situation though. If the turn is a Q or K I'd be folding a lot since the overcard should scare 1/2 his range, and occasionally he turns Top 2 or a set, making his line look even stronger.

I am surprised at how little weight is given to the fact that this is a short buy new player. Yes, 80 is not a micro buy, not a default shoving stack, but still, very prime for V to be a 1/2 sitting at 2/5 for a chance to aggro himself into a week's worth of buy-ins. So standard its default strat for many regs where I play.

I could give up AA here even in a no read situation but not to this type of V, seems to me his range is literally anything. I would give him enough credit to assume he's playing monsters and bluffs the same, so maybe I pause and try to talk him into giving something away, but most likely I snap shove his re-raise knowing he will call with any pair and tilt to me later if he folds his air.

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LOL @ 80bb BI as indication of a bad player.

If I never short buy into 5/10 or PLO, it would probably triple the time it takes for me to make into those games.

Neutrogena - of course not, especially at 80 instead of 40, but in this spot its a tipping factor in what is already a "hard to fold" situation. And obviously there is a difference between the games you're stepping up to and 2/5 NL.

With nothing else as a read, how is that short stack not a factor?

Here:

http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/a...ild-games.html

and here:

http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/a...up-a-game.html

I don't judge people who buy in 60bb, nor do I give credit to those that buy in max.

pulled those up and reading now, thanks

Top pair is not the same as overpair. Ask your students how often they get CRed by slow-played overpairs on rainbow low flops. Then you may start getting some decent answers that resemble reality.

I copy/pasted the hand as posted. Different player pools have wide variations apparently in play. For myself and all the data i can credibly find, i fold flop.

Couple of things I didn't see mentioned.

-hero is on the button raising two limpers, won't our range be viewed as super wide? Why wouldn't villain think all his 10x hands are good to the cbet? Not to mention the random JJ which also wasn't really mentioned and less often QQ. I think KK is like never.
-as far as folding goes I feel u would need to have some sort of read of strength in order to fold.
-I think just calling is best, and sigh calling almost all turn cards. That way u have the slight spas factor still in his range.
-shoving seems like a break even play as u fold out any air balls.

Also the opening action is off, one part suggests its heads up to the flop while another part says that a V folds on the flop, which I didn't notice the first time through.