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Old 05-20-2014, 09:31 PM   #1
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2/5 NL AA OOP spot.

Hero: Bb. has an active image, playing looser and more aggressive than normal. Down 200bb, has 145bb effective. Been a weird day overall.

Villain1: MP ... Knows abc poker. Has trouble finding out/knowing where he's at post flop and turn. Down about 300bb in a short period. Currently has 150bb stack in front of him. Overall playing lag. Can see he's frustrated bc he's down.

Villain 2: SB, has 400bb. Plays well post flop, has a good idea where he's at often. This allows him to play looser preflop. Been also getting hit with the deck which explains some of the 400bb stack.

Hand: villain 1(mp, 150 bigs) opens to 15. Button calls 15, sb(v2, 400bb) calls 15. Hero (145bb) raises out of bb to 75 with AAsc. V1 flats, button fold, and v2 flats.

3 to Flop of K72r (48bb pot):

V2(Sb) checks, hero leads 135 (27bb) V1 flats. V2 folds.

Turn 3x. Hero (opts to check. As of now I have villain on a range of any AK; KQss-KTss; KQo; Any air pp hand such as TT-88 (but less likely). I really only can give him 77 for a hand that beats me.

I just don't think he's calling pre with deuces for a 3b pot with these stacks. Because of this I choose to check.

1) if he blasts off the turn with any of his kings I can easily get it in.

2) If he checks back I can still ship the river bc I have 92bb left and the pot is 102. (Will be tough for him to tell if it's a bluff shove or value shove).

I also didn't expect him to check back. What do you think of taking this line? I def think my sizing could have been more perfect on my flop lead but AP I think it's fine. Give me some thoughts:
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:02 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 NL AA OOP spot.

There's no draws on the flop so he is either floating, has a king or a PP between QQ-88 or 77.

If he has QQ-88 I expect him to fold to a turn bet or if you check will fold to a river be unless you bet small.

If he has a king then he will call a turn bet or if you check call a moderate size bet on the river.

Since he is unlikely to call a bet with QQ-88 I prefer a bet on the turn unless you think he would float alot.

Since he checked the turn he doesn't have 77 and most likely has a hand with SD value. I would bet about half pot on the river.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:07 PM   #3
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Thanks Kyle all advice is nice. Sorry about my post, just realized how confusing it sounded, I just meant as I was deciding to check or bet turn I did not expect him to check back. He ended up tanking and blasting 225 more which I jammed against. He called off my last 125 and had JJ. So spewy by him. Worked out but I don't know if I love my line or if it's the nuts. Thanks again!
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:08 PM   #4
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I really feel he folds to any turn bet by me.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:14 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 NL AA OOP spot.

Fwiw I think our flop sizing is bit small In a 3way hand. Not crazy small given dry board but a bit small. I think you need to focus on the Kx part of his range and bet turn. I can't imagine he just snap mucks AK/KQs
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:24 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 NL AA OOP spot.

He's checking back on the turn soooo much here. First of all, its unlikely he's floating with two players left to act otf. So, I basically agree w/ OP's assessed range. But in order to bet the turn when we check, he needs to either be able to make thin value bets, or turn hands with SDV into bluffs, and most players who fit V1's description are not likely to do those things. I'd much rather bet some small amount on the turn and try to get him committed with Kx.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:13 AM   #7
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He's checking back on the turn soooo much here. First of all, its unlikely he's floating with two players left to act otf. So, I basically agree w/ OP's assessed range. But in order to bet the turn when we check, he needs to either be able to make thin value bets, or turn hands with SDV into bluffs, and most players who fit V1's description are not likely to do those things. I'd much rather bet some small amount on the turn and try to get him committed with Kx.
Jay,

The flop went sb(v2) checks, hero leads bb 135. Mp(v1) flats and sb(v2) folds.

It goes HU to turn and hero checks OOP to induce a bet from any king the villain has, make him think his air hands JJ-88 are good now.

It ended up working out perfectly (not that it should) as the villain decided to put 250 in of like 375 or 400 we had left effective. I re jam and he cry calls with JJ lol.

Was humorous to! Making anyone overplay a hand that poorly is great. Why did he even flat the flop bet. Guarantee he doesn't know why.

Thanks for posting though I do appreciate that and I'll try to make my posts more clear as I know the format isn't quite standard enough at this point.
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Old 05-21-2014, 05:39 AM   #8
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I would rather bet small OTT than risk it getting checked through. Kx should call a 1/3 psb.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:24 PM   #9
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Re: 2/5 NL AA OOP spot.

I think this line is optimal when facing a solid player who will not pay off every street.

From the descript, sounds like the opponent may bet (turn) to find out where he is, so line may work. You image him as LAG, which would also defend this line. He did check the turn however, so perhaps he is more LP. If that is the case, I think betting > checking.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:57 PM   #10
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Hero checked the turn. Villain ended up blasting off for 250, hero sticks in a total of 375 and villain cry calls with JJ. Said he thought he could get me off and didn't think I had a king (which I didn't)
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Old 05-21-2014, 02:03 PM   #11
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Hero: Bb. has an active image, playing looser and more aggressive than normal. Down 200bb, has 145bb effective. Been a weird day overall.

Villain1: MP ... Knows abc poker. Has trouble finding out/knowing where he's at post flop and turn. Down about 300bb in a short period. Currently has 150bb stack in front of him. Overall playing lag. Can see he's frustrated bc he's down.

Villain 2: SB, has 400bb. Plays well post flop, has a good idea where he's at often. This allows him to play looser preflop. Been also getting hit with the deck which explains some of the 400bb stack.

Hand: villain 1(mp, 150 bigs) opens to 15. Button calls 15, sb(v2, 400bb) calls 15. Hero (145bb) raises out of bb to 75 with AAsc. V1 flats, button fold, and v2 flats.

3 to Flop of K72r (48bb pot):

V2(Sb) checks, hero leads 135 (27bb) V1 flats. V2 folds.

Turn 3x. Hero (opts to check. As of now I have villain on a range of any AK; KQss-KTss; KQo; Any air pp hand such as TT-88 (but less likely). I really only can give him 77 for a hand that beats me.

I just don't think he's calling pre with deuces for a 3b pot with these stacks. Because of this I choose to check.

1) if he blasts off the turn with any of his kings I can easily get it in.

2) If he checks back I can still ship the river bc I have 92bb left and the pot is 102. (Will be tough for him to tell if it's a bluff shove or value shove).

I also didn't expect him to check back. What do you think of taking this line? I def think my sizing could have been more perfect on my flop lead but AP I think it's fine. Give me some thoughts:
Grunch: I'd prob rather just get it in on turn, but you have a short stack and reasons for checking so it's not that bad


Open shove all non K rivers IMO
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