V1: loose passive older player (200)
V2: MA Asian Reg average player, vpip maybe a bit too often but solid (350)
Blinds: recreationals I've never played with before ~400 each

V1 limp EP
V2 opens HJ to 25
Hero call OTB A6ss
blinds call
v1 calls

Flop (125) 933ss
3 checks
V2 bets 75
we call ???
blinds fold
V1 shoves ~175
V2 reshove 325

I feel like we're forced to call now.... need to call 250 to win ~700. but anyway this hand goes differently? I cant fathom folding pre.

Thoughts?

Fold pre with these stack sizes. As played get it in.

Definitely call on the flop.

But I agree with wj94 that preflop is probably a fold. Certainly you can "fathom" a fold.

(grunch)

You don't give your stack. If you cover V2, I'm OK with the pre call. If you're comfortable reading hands and making moves to get people off their good-but-not-great hands, a shorter stack might suffice. Folding would also be fine if you lack reads or aren't yet completely comfortable post.

OTF, we don't get much more on V's range. He could just be cbetting; he could have an overpair. He might have a worse flush draw (though there are only a few combos that would raise pre). However, we're in crappy relative position, with effectively 3 people to act behind us. The fact that they checked (to the PFR) doesn't mean anything.

I'm folding here. We're OOP on a paired board facing a 3/5 pot bet. This just isn't a good spot.

As played, two V's have said they love their hand. You're not remotely 33% to win (as you would be with a good flush draw). If someone has an overpair, one of your outs is gone (either in their hand or making them a boat). If someone has a 3, a 9 or running pair means you lose. If someone does have 99, you're drawing dead. If someone else does have a flush draw, you're down 2 outs. Crappy spot, multiple opponents, no implied odds: bail out.

I'm OK with the pre call, basically buying a lotter ticket. OTF, it was a near miss, but those aren't your numbers. Fold, watch, take notes, wait for next hand.

Preflop is fine 100bb, uh yeah i guess hero-fold pre.

Your PE goes way down if either villain has 99 or 3x, which one of them will def have.

I keep seeing so many of these threads where OP doesn't give villain(s) a range like srsly why can't you assign ranges then u can answer ur own question lol.

This.

Without meaning to denigrate all the great advice I got on these boards, the single biggest improvement to my game came when I started specifically assigning ranges to V's and calculating my own answers. If you're not assigning ranges to V's, you're more or less asking to learn math by asking for specific answers ("what's 3^2+2?" "what's 64/6?") without seeking to understand how to do the math.

Once you know how to do the math, you don't need to ask anyone else. Until you know how to do the math, the answers won't actually improve your skills.

If you're serious about improving your game, make yourself assign ranges. Make yourself provide specific, actionable reads. Once you do that, you won't need anyone to tell you what to do.