I agree.

I will say though that calling with marginals OOP wont be an enormous EV play for us unless we play really well post, however i would never fold and wouldnt suggest folding for others as well. 4 others taking the flop is the fence while OOP, but falling toward calling is for sure best. FLushes iP are worth about 2.5 times flushed OOP in general, but we do what we have to do when the opp arises.

With 5+ villains taking the flop this begins to be a much better spot, but 4 is plenty. With 3 others and OOP, we better play well post as well as the villains be fishy.

@anl

Isn't this a better squeeze spot than flat, ESP OOP. Just because V has opened doesn't mean he has a monster and with the avalanche of callers, all we really need to do is get past OR. Also he prob flats QQ,KK etc.....that's good for us and we keep initiative

does anybody else 3bet here pre? seems like a decent spot to squeeze. im def not calling pre here though and it appears like villain actually has an big hand here so a 3bet probably would have been met with a 4bet in this instance, but in general i think 3betting here to 100 will be decently profitable

Sqeezing over 3 players is usually un-advisable. But if other factors are in our favor, we could. I just didnt get into all that here.

Agree. Folding pre is awful.

We're 1300 deep, at least one other villain is. If the remainder of the villains are anywhere near this deep we can easily play this profitably. With these stacks we can treat it as Axs and punish villains who 1) don't adjust to deep stack play and 2) will pay off our monster-maker unbelievably light.

If we have any reasonable post flop skill we can avoid getting RIO'd and get the max when we bink. We can also use our draw as a big semi-bluff weapon, but as it played out in the OP we can't -- vilain "has it" and most likely never folds, certainly nowhere near 45% imo.

100bbs eff or if the other two callers are like 40bbs deep then I can find a fold pre, but otherwise no.

Fold as played.

Fold pre

RR/F pre

3bet pre to 125 and fold when he 4bets...then you wouldn't be in a 200 dollar decision