Effective stacks ~1200 (240bb). 7 handed game at the borgata.
Hero is in BB, V is MP+1. Both hero and villain (should) have a TAG image of each other.

OTTH
V opens to 15.
Folds around to hero in BB with AcKd
Hero 3 bets to 55.
V thinks for a bit a 4-bets to 165
Hero?
Folding: seems nitty in a 7 handed game in 2021.

Calling: creates a pot of 335 with a SPR of ~3 OOP. I guess we have to play poker sometimes.

5-bet all in (1200) : would be standard if stacks were deeper and while some Vs do stack of 240bbs with AQ and TT, not getting that vibe from this V.

5-bet to 450 with the intent of calling off a 6-bet jam: not sure what this accomplishes that us 5-bet jamming doesn't. There isn't a reason to believe this will induce V to spaz jam AQ or something.

5-bet to 450 and fold to a 6-bet jam: this hinges on whether V 6b jams QQ, if his range is KK+, AK this is actually correct.horrible if he will 6-b jam QQ or JJ. But then If JJ is in his 6b range his 4b range is much wider and we should fold out aot more combos.

Thoughts?


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What do you think his 4bet range is?

Jam at 240 bb is madness IMO. Depending on what kind of player this is, I’d either call or 5 bet to 400. 450 is too much, 400 is basically the same in this scenario and gives us a chance to get off the hook if he 6 bet jams, if we’d like.


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TT+ , AK for value. -- 33 combos
AQs, AJs, A5s as bluffs with the aces blocker and flush potential - 9 combos
We have been playing for 4 hours at this point and this is his first 4 bet at the table.


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When would you prefer a call vs a 5-bet to 400.

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If I don’t think this guy ever does this with like KJo or A5s or something, I’d rather just call because his range is going to be too strong. Like what value 4 bets are we stoked to 5 bet against? AQs?

Really the younger he is, the more likely I am to 5 bet.

Given you’ve labeled him, I’d trust you have at least some experience versus this guy.


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Shrug, call looks good but we can consider fold if villain range is very tight. Dislike 4!

He's mid 40s. I've played with him a few times (not a lot) and generally seems competent. Aggressive but seems to pick his spots and is position aware. Doesn't do a lot of calling OOP.

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5bet is literally just a donation. 40s live villians 4bet range is AA and partial KK.

I'm just folding. Calling might be fine vs some guys but most it's calling a dominated offsuit hand to try to crack aces

So if we take that range and consider how he likely behaves to a 5bet we can estimate the EV of raising which I think is key to coming to the correct conclusion. I think shoving is just bad, we either take down a relatively small amount or donate like 80%+ of our entire stack.

In my games I just fold because their range here is KK+/AK at best.

Getting direct odds to call and flop a pair, however, if we miss, what is our plan on a 953r and it goes check - $125? Do we float? This scenario might help in making the decision.

I’d lean toward making a nitty fold vs. his 4B range.

Honestly this is prob too simplistic against a 40s guy the range is generally going to be tighter but it’s 2021 giving them only AA and partial Kings is losing EV…if the guy seems like a super rock after a couple hours of observation then I could get behind a fold, generally I’m just flatting here and may go to 400 with AA-KK,AKs…even 40s “solid players” watch YouTube and know about Ax5x and may play back at you with AxJy…also even marginally tighter players are still 4-betting AK, partial QQ

This.

I mean most kids who got into poker during the moneymaker boom are nearing 40.

Don't think this V is super tight. For some context: V hasn't open limped once this session and is noticably tighter in EP wrt opening frequency. Also while his VPIP isn't high, he (and hero) have 3bet the most on this table. This is also in line with the other few times I've seen him play.

FWIW Hero is a 41 yr old recreational player (work in tech) and is posting here, so rec looking not so young Vs are just nits or loose passive (though many are).

PPS my 4bet range if I was V would be
QQ+, AK(value) and A5ss and at times JTss for bluffs. I would fold the bluffs to the 5 bet (not good enough to have a 6 bet bluff range), 6b AI with AA/KK. QQ and AK are tough, might fold if I think the BB was really solid.

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Your Villain 4bet range is strikingly wide. You guys must have history. In optimal play he’s not supposed to be 4betting with JJ/TT at all. This is because your BB 3bet range is supposed to be polar. You’re getting a good price to complete, which is what you’d like to do with most of the middle of your range. So your 3bet range is gonna consist of your best hands {JJ+,AK,AQs,KQs, maybe TT}, and then the worst hands that can’t afford to complete the 2 bbs, mostly suited trash like {85s, etc.}. In response to that BB 3bet range, MP 4bet range would look a lot more like what you wrote above, {QQ+,AK} — very tight. 4betting with TT against a polar 3bet range is just lighting money on fire.

If you give him QQ+,AK, plus partials of some random blocker bluffs like KQo, I think we’re getting a good price to flat his 4bet and play some poker. We’ll probably have to continue on some low flops depending on his c-bet sizing.

Re 5bets: If we 5bet AKo all the time we’ll be 5betting way too much as a bluff, so, I’d just look to 5bet AKs, AA, maybe partial of KK,, likely to 450 or so.

Edit: If he is really as wide as you say, and has all combos of TT+ and AQs (which are not in an optimal 4bet range AFAIK), then I could get on board with a 5bet with AKo to 400-450.

Fair point. If we remove TT and JJ from his 4bet range then AK doesn't really look so great.
QQ (6 combos) we flip but have RIO when an A/K flops.
KK,AA(6 combos) almost nothing against AA, we have 3 outs against KK with RIO
AK (9 combos only 2 suited as we have AKo) - here we chop but are OOP and will face more action not knowing whether Im owning myself against QQ+ or chopping.

I guess being "nitty" is the best play.

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