Hero tag 26 asian playing snug $1400 stack

V1 crazy indian, raises 40% of hands, donk bets often, 3bets postflop in a ton of spots, river check raise bluffs, 3 barrel bluffs, etc etc. pretty much the most aggro fish i have ever seen. He also calls down with any gutshot and sometimes any pair. Totally unpredictable $3k stack

V2 mexican fish standard loose calling station $700 stack.

Folds to hero
Hero is dealt AA in the LJ and raises to $25
V2 calls in the HJ
Folds to v1 in sb who calls
Bb folds

Flop $75 3 ways
A 9 7 dd
V1 checks
Hero bets $50
V2 calls
V1 calls

Turn $225
A 9 7 6 dd ss
V1 donks $175
Hero?

V1 is extremely wide here, he could have T 8 for the nuts, but he could have a ton of other hands as well, including draws and even airball bluffs. V2 is obv on a draw. The question is how much should hero raise? If hero raises to say $600 that leaves a somewhat akward stack size of $725 left for hero, and the pot could be $2200 if v2 and v1 both call the raise. In that situation, no matter what card falls, hero may have to sigh call off the rest of his stack to v1 on the river. And there are a TON of bad rivers

With that in mind, Should hero just shove turn?

You are too deep to shove this. Any raise commits you against V2 and you want to get it in against maniac who has two pairs and bluffs in his range. But shoving allows them to fold correctly. You have 10 outs against T8 even if the maniac got lucky. I would make it 500 and get it in. If called by maniac he does not have a straight and I'm shoving non diamond rivers.

What if the maniac calls, and a T 8 5 or diamond rolls off the river, and he shoves? Sigh call it off?

Sick spot but I'm raise/calling the turn. The turn donk is rarely the turned nuts.

cbet is too small

Sure, that much i know, but the big question is how much to raise? Overbet Shoving seems easy, but perhaps allows them to play perfectly? Yet Raising a standard amount like 500-600 makes for some extremely difficult river decisions for hero.

I would have potted the flop or overbet it with a ton of draws out there that they probably aren't folding this deep. Shoving $1200 is kind of ridiculous over a $175 bet since he should only call with sets and straights. I would raise to $575 and shove any river if called, but he can't really just call that bet, he either needs to shove or fold. Sucks if you ran into 8T or like 58dd, but at least you have outs if you did.

I think 2/3 psb is fine? Maybe i should make it more since we are so deep?

Lol at cbet being too small here

Given description go for a larger C-bet. Seems like V may have a read that you are not strong here and pushing you around. Or scared money. I think you have to raise/call.

On the river, if a total blank falls I am gii. And frankly probably calling almost any bet against this V as described. Also which A does Hero have? Do you block either nut flush? May not matter vs this V but is good to know.

People dont always do that, he might just call the bet and not shove. In fact most people with a draw would just call here.

Crazy lagtard is calling the shove way lighter than straights/sets. Station probably is too. I think a raise to 525 and a shove is close. Two villains makes shove better, but I prob just raise/GII.

I pot the flop against described villains. If they're calling 50, they're calling 75.

As played...wow...

Would clicking it back induce??

This is a dream scenario you have been waiting for of course: when you have an absolute monster with top set and a spazz bluffy monkey is in there with you putting money in the pot.

Raise a good amount on the turn, like 550-600- and if he calls that bet i call any river against this guy. OP described this V as a player who can have anything, and with his spewtendencies i am not folding top set after raising the turn here. Hopefully he shoves the turn on you. If he was on a flushdraw and gets there on the river, thats tough luck. He can also have a lot of other holdings- from two pair, sets and airballs.

If we raise the turn big here and folding to any scarecard on the river, i feel like we let the bluffmonkey run over us and kind of play perfect against us.

Ive played some of those aggro bluffmonkeys in my own game several times, and in some pots i have just closed my eyes and called a big river bet when a scarecard falls, feeling that i am ahead a very high percentage of the time. The kind of V that OP describes just has a insane wide range in any spot, and we cant lay down all other hands exept the stone nutz against him.

I dont remember which aces i had unfortunately. What information can i deduce if i had blockers though? Okay so we could remove some draw combinations if i had nfd blockers, which weights there hands more heavily towards made hands?

Fwiw over betting or potting the flop here isn't bad, but it's not nearly the same as having 88 on A98ds 5 ways.

you have the board ****ing crushed 3 handed with players who might peel a pair for 50 but alot of the times are folding for 75/125.

Against aggro V any flush in his range is still a flush so it doesnt matter. But you have a person behind you yet to act.

You have a LP and Aggrotard. No one is suggesting 2x pot but certainly 60 to 80 probably still gets called with the same frequency. Plus you have top set and are 280bbs deep....lets get going.

vs this dude i would raise to at least 550 and then put my stack in on literally any river regardless of action

So what can we say regarding the stations range? Less possible fds combos? Im a little confused how having the nfd blockers really helps us?

Read villain description.

Cbet is too small, and it's not close. I understand the difference between 99 and AA here and it kind of sucks that we flopped a set.

Bad luck aside there is no difference between $50 and $80 here to an Indian player and 9 & 7 are like the nut cards to be extracting max from his range.

$125 has more merit than $50 imo

Results oriented imo

So the consensus is raise to 500-600 and call all rivers?

More because you have two loose fish that will call more. I may even raise more pre if they don't have fold buttons pre. As for what to raise make it 2.5-3x so some where like 450-550. You are committed at this point and I really can't think of a river I give this up on.

But I'd say make it 35-45 pre. C bet 3/4 to full psb and look to get it in on the turn. As played def don't jam, just charge the draws and raise according to the pot size.

Yeah because when in a pot with a maniac we want to bet/raise so much he doesn't think he can bluff us off our hand.

50 is optimal here, tbh I might even bet less if the maniac was psychotic enough.