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11-06-2018 , 11:40 PM
Villain is fairly new to the place but tight/solid from the small sample I've seen

Hero holding Aces

Villain UTG Opens to 15$
Hero SB 3-bets to 50$
Villain calls
Flop T28
Hero bets 80$
Villain snap calls
Turn K
Hero bets 180$
Villain all in for 700ish

I tanked for a while and ended up calling since the board was so draw heavy and with the snap call I threw all the sets out of his range

Ended up calling and he flipped over KTs

What went wrong here?
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11-07-2018 , 12:29 AM
oop and deep make 3b way bigger. $75+ if you know this guy calls light

not a great flop to bomb away when his range is this wide, we probably just have to x/c three streets with AA as bet/getting raised OOP sucks as $2/$5 players definitely unbalanced toward value

all that said you had aa, seems just unlucky. idk if i fold as played
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11-07-2018 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello
oop and deep make 3b way bigger. $75+ if you know this guy calls light

not a great flop to bomb away when his range is this wide, we probably just have to x/c three streets with AA as bet/getting raised OOP sucks as $2/$5 players definitely unbalanced toward value

all that said you had aa, seems just unlucky. idk if i fold as played
i didn't think his range would smash that flop raising utg and also the snap call got me a bit. typically don't see people snap call that board with a set imo.
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11-07-2018 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rkt
Villain is fairly new to the place but tight/solid from the small sample I've seen

Hero holding Aces

Villain UTG Opens to 15$
Hero SB 3-bets to 50$
Villain calls
Flop T28
Hero bets 80$
Villain snap calls
Turn K
Hero bets 180$
Villain all in for 700ish

I tanked for a while and ended up calling since the board was so draw heavy and with the snap call I threw all the sets out of his range

Ended up calling and he flipped over KTs

What went wrong here?
Pre seems fine.

Flop bet is standard,sizing is ok could argue smaller but that's nitpicking. Our range should be fairly tight ,99+, premium broadways. V's range is tight as well with an utg open probably mid-pocket pairs Ak ,Aq mostly suited Broadways,maybe offsuit? Stack sizes ,suits of your aces??

We can check flop here too. Pretty much for the same reason I mentioned above. V's range is strongish so all the hands he's betting for value or semi bluffing with we are crushing. Obviously the only hands we lose too are sets and only 6 legit combos of those.
Always raising whenever we check though. C/c leaves us playing the turn the same way and being fearful on any scare card.

Turn is a bet and most likely calling off.
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11-07-2018 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rkt
Villain is fairly new to the place but tight/solid from the small sample I've seen

Hero holding Aces

Villain UTG Opens to 15$
Hero SB 3-bets to 50$
Villain calls
Flop T28
Hero bets 80$
Villain snap calls
Turn K
Hero bets 180$
Villain all in for 700ish

I tanked for a while and ended up calling since the board was so draw heavy and with the snap call I threw all the sets out of his range

Ended up calling and he flipped over KTs

What went wrong here?
im folding vs the turn raise, though not liking it.
and dont show your aces...
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11-07-2018 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello

not a great flop to bomb away when his range is this wide
How is his range wide? Utg open and calls a 3bet. Tons of players are just calling here unless they have qq+.

Read on villain was tight/ solid although who knows how accurate
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11-07-2018 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TrubyKGB
Pre seems fine.

Flop bet is standard,sizing is ok could argue smaller but that's nitpicking. Our range should be fairly tight ,99+, premium broadways. V's range is tight as well with an utg open probably mid-pocket pairs Ak ,Aq mostly suited Broadways,maybe offsuit? Stack sizes ,suits of your aces??

We can check flop here too. Pretty much for the same reason I mentioned above. V's range is strongish so all the hands he's betting for value or semi bluffing with we are crushing. Obviously the only hands we lose too are sets and only 6 legit combos of those.
Always raising whenever we check though. C/c leaves us playing the turn the same way and being fearful on any scare card.

Turn is a bet and most likely calling off.
I had AhAs

Thanks a lot for your thorough help man!

Yeah I put him on JJ+ AJ+ or KX diamond draws

I like the check raise in that spot a lot. Thanks man
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11-07-2018 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rkt
I had AhAs

Thanks a lot for your thorough help man!

Yeah I put him on JJ+ AJ+ or KX diamond draws

I like the check raise in that spot a lot. Thanks man
No problem...you definitely want more opinions on this hand though. Also just seen the title had the effective stacks. My bad.... Turn can be a fold if we have some reads on villain. Some players aren't raising without 2pair+
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11-07-2018 , 12:10 PM
How many draws is he gonna have after raising and flatting a 3bet from UTG?

Turn is a fold. Also the bet sizes could be a little higher pre (he raised UTG, so he should be value heavy 3bet to around 65) and a little lower post.
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11-07-2018 , 12:28 PM
Next time be sure to include pot sizes on all streets, the suits of your own hand and probably most importantly: your reads on the villain. On the turn this is super villain-dependent. Without any information about this guy, it's difficult to say anything useful.

Having said that, if I wanted to call here with aces, I definitely wouldn't want to hold the Ah and I would also be unhappy (albeit slightly less) with the Ad. With two black aces I'd be inclined to call, but even then I wouldn't call against anyone.
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11-07-2018 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rkt
What went wrong here?
Nothing he's a donk who made a poor call PF and got lucky.

Keep on truckin and take it back by out playing him.
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11-07-2018 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rkt
Villain is fairly new to the place but tight/solid from the small sample I've seen



Hero holding Aces



Villain UTG Opens to 15$

Hero SB 3-bets to 50$

Villain calls

Flop T28

Hero bets 80$

Villain snap calls

Turn K

Hero bets 180$

Villain all in for 700ish



I tanked for a while and ended up calling since the board was so draw heavy and with the snap call I threw all the sets out of his range



Ended up calling and he flipped over KTs



What went wrong here?


If you peg you’re villain as solid, his UTG raising range and calling a 3bet (vs 4betting it) should be relatively narrow.
His range is mostly 88-JJ (possibly QQ), AJs+, AKo

When he snap calls flop it may be a tell, or it may be a reverse tell. It’s a mistake to eliminate sets entirely from his range
Range: 88,99,TT, JJ, AdJd+

Turn: you bet 180 and he shoves for 700. Pot is 1150 and you have to call 520. Your getting a little more than 2:1
Looking at ranges now: the only hand that would logically do this as a semi bluff would be AdKd. You can throw in QdJd in there too but you said your villain is solid and his range of UTG raise call a 3bet isnt typically including these types of hands.
So you literally beat one hand. And you can’t be good 1 out of 3 times here. So turn is a fold. In this spot the relative hand strength of KT and sets is close. All you can do is revise your reads on him going forward.
Turn call isn’t going to be profitable imo


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11-07-2018 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chunkamunk
Nothing he's a donk who made a poor call PF and got lucky.

Keep on truckin and take it back by out playing him.
Uhh no. Getting nearly 2:1 direct and 29:1 implied odds all the while in position with a hand that can make nut straights and 2nd nut flush is a pretty standard call.

The reason you open this 3x UTG is so you can defend a 3bet.
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11-07-2018 , 02:06 PM
I'm folding this without a second thought, especially holding Ah, but even without it.

I'd have to have a rock solid read that V is a donkey here willing to stack off 200BB with something like KdQd - basically someone who massively overvalues single pair hands, or would maybe shove this with a combo draw like QdJd.

I think we can bet also bet a little smaller, but that's not as critical as making the fold to the raise.
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11-07-2018 , 02:25 PM
3bet larger pre. x/r flop is cool. check turn as played vs utg range specifically.
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11-07-2018 , 03:00 PM
Turn is a b/f for me as played. Especially given we hold the A as that eliminates one of the nut draws he could have. Other than not folding the turn, I think the rest is fine.
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11-07-2018 , 03:05 PM
Grunch - sort or a cooler, sort of a ‘1 pair isn’t a 3 streets hand’, sort of a ‘1 pair isn’t often good in a 400 BB pot’ hand. I probably would have went into pot control on the turn. Probably folding to most V’s on the raise AI.
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11-07-2018 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rkt
Villain is fairly new to the place but tight/solid from the small sample I've seen

Hero holding Aces

Villain UTG Opens to 15$
Hero SB 3-bets to 50$
Villain calls
Flop T28
Hero bets 80$
Villain snap calls
Turn K
Hero bets 180$
Villain all in for 700ish

I tanked for a while and ended up calling since the board was so draw heavy and with the snap call I threw all the sets out of his range

Ended up calling and he flipped over KTs

What went wrong here?
First of all you are $830 effective, not $1000.

Secondly, you cant throw out sets after he calls the flop. He has very little reason to raise the flop with a set in a 3 bet pot.

Third, when you stop thinking everyone is shoving huge amounts of money with draws, you'll do much better at poker. Unless you have a specific read on a specific person that they make these kinds of over bet raises with draws, just fold.

In general, you should be aggro and betting large amounts of money yourself and folding when other people do it to you.
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11-08-2018 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
3bet larger pre. x/r flop is cool. check turn as played vs utg range specifically.
I c/r flop as the pfr and 3bettor. It does wonders for reducing their positional advantage since they'll be scared to bet their marginal hands in the future.
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11-09-2018 , 02:02 AM
All great points, thanks.

I goofed
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11-09-2018 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rkt
What went wrong here?
Umm, I don't know maybe calling off with one pair vs a tight solid player that just shoved $700 in the middle. Maybe not giving enough respect to baluga theorem. Maybe not knowing whether you were going to call a shove before you bet the turn.
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11-09-2018 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rkt
Villain is fairly new to the place but tight/solid from the small sample I've seen

Hero holding Aces

Villain UTG Opens to 15$
Hero SB 3-bets to 50$
Villain calls
Flop T28
Hero bets 80$
Villain snap calls
Turn K
Hero bets 180$
Villain all in for 700ish

I tanked for a while and ended up calling since the board was so draw heavy and with the snap call I threw all the sets out of his range

Ended up calling and he flipped over KTs

What went wrong here?
grunching

deepish, out of position I'd 3 bet to 4x here, so 60 or even 65.

Your flop bet is huge. Yes, it's wet-ish so I'm betting slighlty more than normal, so probably 60%.

Turn, I think you keep betting but I think I can find a fold here, depending on my reads on villain.
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11-09-2018 , 09:28 AM
the suits of your aces are important
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11-09-2018 , 03:04 PM
I'm fine with smaller 3bet. Going 4x is now standard (OPP) but does very little besides bloat pot. Playing 200BB effective. I don't mind smaller pot postflop.

Really dislike check raising flop readless. We have massive range advantage on this flop. Not getting fancy.

If we have Ace of diamonds. I am checking flop though. Or king of diamonds. As I have liberal 3 betting range, and cbet less than most people.

Looking to get 2 solid streets of value. Many ways to get that done in this situation.

Also agree with others. Flop Cbet size is to large. 50-60% plays fantasticly for our range, and stack depth.

As played. I can't make that call on turn. Without heavy evidence he is capable of bluffing $700. Can't remember last time I saw $700 check-raise bluff (that didnt come from me)
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11-09-2018 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mikko
As played. I can't make that call on turn. Without heavy evidence he is capable of bluffing $700. Can't remember last time I saw $700 check-raise bluff (that didnt come from me)
V is IP but same difference. +1
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