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Old 10-10-2013, 01:11 AM   #1
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2/5 Nice draw OOP

V1: Played with him twice and seems very ABC. Almost on the nitty side but not quite. Mid 30s white guy, dressed like he just came from work

V2: TAG player. Not afraid to get his money in. Seems he has a good understanding of poker, odds, etc but still seems to call wide in bad spots

Hero: Looked at as the young aggressor. Not afraid to play pots w/ multiple people. Haven't shown any bluffs and typically winning w/ cbet or two bets.

V1: $600ish, V2: $500, hero covers

V1 raises to $25 UTG, UTG+1 calls, V2 calls in MP, founds to hero in BB, calls w/ QJdd

Flop: Ks 9d 5d ($100)

Hero checks, V1 cbets $45, fold, V2 raises to $105, Hero...?

Looking for feedback on both streets. FWIW I perceived V2 very capable of raising a K here.

Will share rest of hand after some thoughts.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:19 AM   #2
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V1s range is so wide and if v2 can raise with just top pair, I think shoving is the best play.

You have tons of fold equity here against both guys and if you do get called, you've got 15 outs

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Old 10-10-2013, 10:18 AM   #3
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More thoughts?
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:37 AM   #4
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Re: 2/5 Nice draw OOP

would be more inclined to call or shove if the K was a d; in this case, the K being the offsuit card, i think a pretty big part of either ranges is top pair with a fd, in which case we are smoked.

bad implied odds, very bad reverse implied odds in this hand... iŽd fold.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:43 AM   #5
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I think a call is fine here. I don't want to get in against Kd or Ad flush draw and be drawing to a T or maybe Q J. I don't think shoving in the correct play bc you can be in serious trouble against high flush draws. Like someone else said, if the K was a diamond I would like my hand a ton but with the Kd and Ad being a possibility I like a flat call. I think your hand is too strong to fold
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:05 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 Nice draw OOP

Grunching ...

Pretty ez fold since you are not drawing to the nuts. Getting < 2.5-1 on a call with the PF raiser yet to act. Granted, his small lead looks weak so he may actually fold.

Pre - vs. a nitty-leaning UTG raiser, I'm likely folding since we are oop.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:31 PM   #7
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Re: 2/5 Nice draw OOP

Fold pre.

This hand is an good example of how difficult it is to play a drawing hand OOP in a raised pot.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:40 PM   #8
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We're blocking a lot of the most reasonable Axdd and Kxdd combos... I'd like jamming more if V2 was seen to be adjusting to V1 having a wide cbet by raising a lot of flops, or some dynamic like that. In a vacuum, folding on the flop after this action is probably standard. Also to those saying fold pre, I sort of agree (but probably wouldn't do it in game), only because there's so many people in this pot that our non-nut flush draw becomes worrisome. Squeezing pre to $125-150 can be viable against the right opponents as well.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:21 PM   #9
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V1: Played with him twice and seems very ABC. Almost on the nitty side but not quite. Mid 30s white guy, dressed like he just came from work

V2: TAG player. Not afraid to get his money in. Seems he has a good understanding of poker, odds, etc but still seems to call wide in bad spots

Hero: Looked at as the young aggressor. Not afraid to play pots w/ multiple people. Haven't shown any bluffs and typically winning w/ cbet or two bets.

V1: $600ish, V2: $500, hero covers

V1 raises to $25 UTG, UTG+1 calls, V2 calls in MP, founds to hero in BB, calls w/ QJdd

Flop: Ks 9d 5d ($100)

Hero checks, V1 cbets $45, fold, V2 raises to $105, Hero...?
Hero calls $105, V1 calls raise

Turn: 4d (~$425)
Hero...?
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:32 PM   #10
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Check/fold (best case scenario is checking this down to win at showdown). Perhaps a bet-sizing tell allows you to call a smallish bet, but if someone jams, ughhpukeughhh.

Flatting the flop bet+raise was not a viable option, and I'm sorry you chose it.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:02 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 Nice draw OOP

if you flat flop, is V2 ever going to think you have anything other than draw? in other words, would V2 expect you to flat flop with a set/AK?

V2 3! range pre? is AK in this range?

don't like flatting flop at all
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