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08-16-2016 , 04:36 AM

de4df1sh

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6 handed

first few orbits 2am
HERO/UTG(495)

V/SB(covers) old grizzled black man, hair modeled after Albert Einstein, no real reads

HERO open 25 AdKd
SS MP calls
SB calls

3way
FLOP(75) Jd7d3s

SB seems confused on whos turn it is and checks
HERO 50
MP folds
SB 125
HERO?

Anyone jam this flop?

Anyone fold?

any reason we should check?

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08-16-2016 , 05:19 AM

Buster65

The Situation

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,240

Jam is fine.

Would never check this flop, one of the best you can hope for.

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08-16-2016 , 05:27 AM

Amanaplan

acanalpanamA

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Looks fine.

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08-16-2016 , 05:43 AM

whatisthis3

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 54

Looks fine to me to this point as well; would flat flop raise.

We're behind all of V's value range, most of which is not going to fold after raising flop.
We're ahead all of V's bluffing/semi bluffing range.

just play pot odds and call

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08-16-2016 , 06:19 AM

PFunkaliscious

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,061

jamming all day. doesn't look like we have hardly any FE, but another diamond might kill our action.

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08-16-2016 , 07:14 AM

AllinPark

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 170

Id go All in. Random fish can GII w Jx which were a slight favorite, he may fold Jx which is just fine, or he may GII w a weaker flush draw.

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08-16-2016 , 08:02 AM

Jamitontheriver

adept

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,137

$75 to win $250 IP is a more than reasonable price to continue. Without some knowledge of V I'm not shoving here as players rarely c/r and then fold. We block a lot of flush draws so he is more likely to have a value hand. He's also not c/f his hand when a diamond comes so we have implied odds.

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08-16-2016 , 08:29 AM

br3nt00

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I'm all in. 6 handed you can't be folding this and I think flatting doesn't help us get paid when we hit and if we miss we face a tough turn decision

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08-16-2016 , 09:21 AM

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

old grizzled black man, hair modeled after Albert Einstein

this man has FE written all over him.

Jam it, so he will find out "where he at" and fold.

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08-16-2016 , 09:39 AM

#10

suited fours

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Tough one as the confusion could be a tell. If we flat and he jams a brick turn? Really no reads? No level of activity to measure? No impression of confidence or competence? Did you ask him how many jacks are in this deck?

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08-16-2016 , 10:07 AM

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de4df1sh

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Had only been at table a few orbits

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08-16-2016 , 10:23 AM

#12

suited fours

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Well, by the book it's a jam as we have more FE than we think, all of our outs are potential scare cards and he might have a draw or air.

But reads might help us weight the conflicting data: old, black, 2a, 6handed, confused.

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08-16-2016 , 11:16 AM

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de4df1sh

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Why are we using our "outs are scary" as a reason to jam?

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08-16-2016 , 12:03 PM

#14

suited fours

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

Why are we using our "outs are scary" as a reason to jam?

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Some percentage of the time we call, hit and don't get paid, raising the likelihood that jam is better than call.

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08-16-2016 , 12:32 PM

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SwolyswoND

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What others said - to the extent Aces or Kings are outs for us, we won't get paid by worse if we flat the flop bet and one of those cards hits the turn. Plus folding to a bet from him on a turn blank feels filthy. Even more plus, most of his range will c/f on a diamond turn.

A + B + C = shove.

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