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2/5: NFD c/r'd otf 2/5: NFD c/r'd otf

02-02-2015 , 08:17 AM
2/5, 7-handed, $420 eff

Hero opens A3hh in MP, 3 calls (BTN, SB, BB)

Flop ($80): Qh Jh 8d
Check, Check, Hero bets $50, BTN folds, SB raises to $150, BB folds, Hero ???

SB has $250 more if we flat the $100.

Hero's been playing fairly tight, so this is never a bluff. Also, SB seems like a semi-loose/aggro-ish rec online player.
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02-02-2015 , 08:36 AM
I would check the flop back. This is a board that hits a lot of hands in a typical V calling range and it's going to be tough to take the pot down with a c-bet semibluff. If the flush hits, hero's hand is going to be pretty disguised. You have a strong draw and you don't want to get blown off of it.

Hero is looking at calling $100 into a $280 pot for 2.8 to direct odds. There's a maximum of $530 for 5.3 to 1 implied odds if we get Vs stack when the flush hits. I think it's close, but I fold. I don't think V stacks off often enough when the flush hits to make the call worth it. If you think V is gii with two pair/sets/straight on the turn regardless of what comes, then you can call.

I don't think there's enough FE to ship if you think V is never bluffing.
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02-02-2015 , 09:09 AM
How do you range villain? Kind of a weird spot to c/r huh. You would think that a made set or straight trying to shut the hand down would just donk out. Makes me wonder if villain isn't also on a draw.
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02-02-2015 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AbqDave
How do you range villain? Kind of a weird spot to c/r huh. You would think that a made set or straight trying to shut the hand down would just donk out. Makes me wonder if villain isn't also on a draw.
I think he can easily have sets, straights or two pair. But I also think I get his stack if I hit my hand ott.

Do you really think many ppl donk out with made hands? Mostly no.
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02-02-2015 , 10:10 AM
It's a shove or its a fold. You can make a case for each one but it's nothing in between. I think that is pretty obvious I just wanted to say it. I think I personally I'm shoving here. Along with needing the heart, the guy could have KQs or QTs so u could take it downif an ace comes
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02-02-2015 , 10:11 AM
I feel like if he hit a straight or set he would have bet, to avoid giving a free card to a potential flush draw
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02-02-2015 , 10:41 AM
Given my image, he's never doing this with KQ or QT.

Why shove though and get it in bad?
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02-02-2015 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by fizzypants
I think he can easily have sets, straights or two pair. But I also think I get his stack if I hit my hand ott.
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Most of the ranges I sniped have you about 30% to win.

I figure it's a shove or fold, for me the shove is too doggone thin. Zero FE. I say fold and tell villain to bring more money next time.
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02-02-2015 , 01:12 PM
Fold pre! Check flop in this hand.
Shove based on your play. If you like playing A3s pre, this is as good of flop that you can get: but flush draw and OP hit flop and will pay you.
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02-02-2015 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse123
I would check the flop back.
I like a check OTF (more if hero would be OTB guess) but I'm interested in what your plan would be for a blank turn or a card that misses you but possibly hits other players.

What do we do if someone else bets 50, what do we do when the blinds check again?
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02-02-2015 , 01:53 PM
Fold pre. Axs is too weak to bet in MP.

Check the flop. You're not folding out 3 players. The board is very wet and it hit someone. Even if you get one caller, you basically just charged yourself the wrong odds to draw to a flush.

Fold to the check-raise. If villain calls, you need to win 40% of the time to make your shove profitable. You hit a flush 35% of the time, so pass.
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02-02-2015 , 02:42 PM
If we have the A as an out it might be a call. I would probably just rip it and gamble.
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02-02-2015 , 02:49 PM
I like a check on the flop as well with the SPR as low as it is. Fold as played.
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02-02-2015 , 07:33 PM
A good player who can play post flop can absolutely open w this hand. With some table dynamics in some situations I understand a pre-flop fold, but telling him to fold pre as a blanket statement is too nitty.

You guys must play with a lot better players than I do because at my casino, this could easily be KQ.

Op knows this villains range better than me though. Gub to the head I think I lay down here, but I have no problem with how you played up until this point
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02-03-2015 , 06:07 AM
Pre is probly a little spewy if the stack sizes are indeed <100bb average, but not terrible. Flop is an easy check back considering we hate getting c/r, as seen here. Have to fold now.
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02-03-2015 , 09:34 AM
Fold and say nice bet
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02-03-2015 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PhillyEagles9
A good player who can play post flop can absolutely open w this hand. With some table dynamics in some situations I understand a pre-flop fold, but telling him to fold pre as a blanket statement is too nitty.

You guys must play with a lot better players than I do because at my casino, this could easily be KQ.

Op knows this villains range better than me though. Gub to the head I think I lay down here, but I have no problem with how you played up until this point
I understand where you are coming from and agree that a good post flop player can play a wider range of hands.

However at 1/2 you are going to run into some OPs that won't understand your play and many Heros that don't have a strong post flop play. If they did, they would be a more complete player and soon move up to 2/5, 5/10 etc...
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02-03-2015 , 01:37 PM
Fairly certain this is never a bluff from V. We have no fold equity. Looking at this hand again, I think it's a fold.
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02-03-2015 , 04:14 PM
We need to be checking this flop into 3 other villains...this flop is right in the middle of their range and not deep enough for implied odds here. As played, fold to the raise.

fold>raising>calling
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02-03-2015 , 08:26 PM
Results:

Hero folded and V showed KThh
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02-03-2015 , 08:54 PM
Am I missing something? To me if you aren't willing to shove that flop then you shouldn't have played that hand in the first place. Not with those stack sizes from that position.
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