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01-26-2014 , 11:34 AM
This is a 2-5 game. Have been playing for a good time, have decent reads on villains.

UTG raises to 30, but he's been raising 30%+ so no one at the table respects his raises. I call with K7 in MP. There are 6 or 7 people on the flop. My stack is around $700 .

Flop ($210) J 7 4

Now, there's a ton of multiway pots that happened before and most of them have been checked. So, I decide to bet $100 to get some value, protect the hand and perhaps get it all in against the right villain.

Villain to my left is the person in the table I consider most competent. He raises me to $250. I don't like the raise at all, I am not ahead of his range for sure, but I think my hand is too strong to fold so I call.

In retrospect I think his range is 44, 77 (less likely because I am holding a 7) but not JJ (because he would have 3bet pre) may be AJ (it's in his preflop range, but would he reraise on the flop with that? ) and may be J7 though not sure he calls pre.

Even though I ended up winning the hand, I don't think I played the flop well.

Here are my questions.

Did I have enough on the flop to cross the commitment threshold when reraised?

What's the best line to take here? Check reraise? And if it's a reraise, all in?

Last edited by OvertlySexual; 01-26-2014 at 11:40 AM.
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01-26-2014 , 12:09 PM
Fold preflop.

As played villains stack size is important
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01-26-2014 , 12:12 PM
You didn't bet for value, you semi-bluffed. In the unlikely event that there are no folded clubs on the table, and your opponent isnt holding the nut flush draw, you are sitting on a sub 40%er.

You can call there with top pair, but its difficult to call there with middle pair.
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01-26-2014 , 12:14 PM
And what is V playing? His stack size is crucial there...what % of his stack is that $250? Anything more than 1/3 would be difficult to call.
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01-26-2014 , 12:16 PM
Villain's got me covered.

Against most other villains with shallower stacks I fold and K7s is the bottom of my range, but against UTG villain who actually run 78/31, I ll play it in position.
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01-26-2014 , 12:16 PM
Calling pre is horrible regardless of the dynamic ... It's K7 ... As played I mean think we should just GII
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01-26-2014 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RenegadePeddler
You didn't bet for value, you semi-bluffed. In the unlikely event that there are no folded clubs on the table, and your opponent isnt holding the nut flush draw, you are sitting on a sub 40%er.

You can call there with top pair, but its difficult to call there with middle pair.
I agree. But what if I check and call a bet of half a pot let's say. Don't I have implied odds a lot of the time?
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01-26-2014 , 12:19 PM
His specific stack size is important, man. We can't determine what his possible actions will be on the turn/river if we don't know what that $250 meant to him.

(not trying to be a douche, trying to help)
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01-26-2014 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
I agree. But what if I check and call a bet of half a pot let's say. Don't I have implied odds a lot of the time?

I wouldn't float there with bottom pair, especially if his stack size is Godzilla to your tiny Japanese fellow.
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01-26-2014 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RenegadePeddler
In the unlikely event that there are no folded clubs on the table ...
Why are things like this still being brought up in strat advice posts ... Understand the math first...
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01-26-2014 , 12:21 PM
I said he had me covered and he had a huge stack; more than $1000 may be $1500.

But I don't consider him a random donkey on a heater. At least competent, possibly a reg.

In other words, I don't think he spewed money because he had a big stack; he was playing effective stacks and how he felt his range did against mine.
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01-26-2014 , 12:57 PM
Would you play K7 if it folded to you in MP?

Even if he's opening a lot you still need to fold.
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01-26-2014 , 01:09 PM
nevermind.
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