Loose table with lots of multiway big pot action. 9-handed. $1k effective.

V1 - Very loose preflop and OTF. Chases just about any draw. Can be aggressive. He opens quite a bit preflop and is one of those players that loves raising from the blinds. In general just very loose and plays way too many hands.

V2 - Another loose player but more passive. Doesn't raise as much as V1 preflop but calls along with a ton of marginal hands that need to be folded. More aggro than your average LLSNL loose passive donk but still quite a bad player imo.

V1 opens $20 UTG
V2 flats $20 UTG1
Hero 3b to $70 with AK next to act MP1
Folds around and both V's call

Flop AQ7 Pot ~ $210

V1 check
V2 check
Hero bets $50
Both V's call.

Turn K Pot ~ $360
V1 check
V2 now leads $125
Hero calls
V1 fold

River 3 Pot ~$610

V2 leads $225
Hero?

This is a pretty gross spot imo. Looks exactly like JT. I suppose 77 could be in range. AQ and KQ are also there but seem less likely. Can we just exploit fold here? When a passive players donks twice like this (especially in a big 3b pot) its just usually the nuts. I didn't have enough reads on this player to say that for certain though.

Thanks

No you can’t fold

Vs bigger sizing you can consider it but not to use 1/3rd barrels.

Fold, it’s JT always.

The question is really whether he is doing this with JT or a set over 80% of the time. If you needed to create a thread about it, you don't believe it is that high. Therefore, it is a call for now.

Remember even if the call is right, you're going to lose most of the time.

Well, with $50 bet on flop vs. two passive players into $210 pot, I'd expect JT here along w/ hands we beat. I call but only because we kept is so cheap and here we are.

Pre is way too small.

Flop I'm good with anything $50-$70.

I'm raising turn. We beat AQ/KQ (12 combos) and lose to JTs/77 (7 combos.) Call me crazy, but I'm actually shoving this river.

You cray cray

He didn’t bet enough to even begin to consider folding.
I mean, I guess if you’ve played hundreds of hours with him and know that he only ever does this with the nuts (and with this sizing), fine… but otherwise, just no.

what does the described bad player V2 think we have.
most high card sets and big ACES smashed this flop and turn and yet he donks into us twice?
I have to call but what a wild hand

Never fold.

Let me expand --- I hate calling this spot so so much bc while it seems like a small bet relative to pot, it's still 225 (AFTER a turn donk) and that's not 'small' in terms of money that someone who takes this line might think AND now just add in the info we do know: hes a twice-caller pre and an overcaller otf and THEN leads into the PFR and another strong range in a narrow range spot on a nut changing card that completes bway while clearly strengthening all ranges to where KQ isn't even doing well from the perception of most average players.

He just bet bets into that? You need him to be semi bluffing Q/Jxhh or blocking/dummy betting KQ... Perhaps it's a call because of the chop equity though, this is an AK frequent spot, but SO much less available than 100% freq of JTs and lots of JTo too, maybe all of them too. So gross.

Fold when he has J10 and call when he doesn't.

What's the problem?

The passive description of the V has me concerned here. I think he likely XR flop more frequently than not w/77/AQ/A7, once V1 calls.

Turn - I'd raise/fold his lead with the 2nd heart which we don't block. Also, a 4-straight river will kill action.

River - We are getting a good price, so calling can't be terrible, however, the fact that most players will not value worse might tip me towards a fold.

Can we eliminate QQ?

RESULTS:

I did not like it one bit but could not find the fold button in a bad session probably playing my B- game.

I call and villain has JTo.

Pretty much agree with all of this. I've seen this type of line so many times and it's almost always the nuts. I've been making some "tough" folds lately that are actually quite easy with experience but this one got me. Thought about it for about 20secs or so anyways lol

If you had bet more on the flop, I highly doubt you would have ended up in this situation.

LOL come tf on - 70 is amazing.