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12-27-2017 , 04:16 PM

DocSkillz

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$2/$5 Motor City Casino Detroit, 9-handed

SB $270 MAWG, seems tight passive from 1hr so far
MP $400 tight passive
CU $300 loose passive
HERO covers OTB with KsKh

MP limps, CU limps, Hero raise $30, SB MP CU flat

Pot: $125
Flop: JT8r

SB donks $70. MP folds. CU flats. Hero flats.

Pot: $335
Turn: Ar

Checks around.

Pot: $335
River: 4

SB leads $165 all in. CU folds. Hero?

Appreciate feedback on flop/turn/river.

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12-27-2017 , 04:40 PM

Javanewt

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A few reads would be nice, but w/o them for less than 100bb, I'm either jamming flop or folding flop. What do you hope to hit on turn besides a K, which still might not be good?

I can go either way on the river, but w/o reads and w/ the A on the turn, muck is probably best.

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12-27-2017 , 04:49 PM

Amanaplan

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Just jam flop with stacks so shallow.

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12-27-2017 , 08:25 PM

samo

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Tight passive leads flop into 3 opponents, and with a call to Hero, I'd make a nitty fold. You block KQ, so I'd weight his range on 2pr+.

If continuing with a live read, jam flop. Calling is the least optimal, imho.

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12-27-2017 , 08:54 PM

playinggameswithu

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Ugh, I should fold...but I'd be heart broken enough to call.

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12-27-2017 , 09:21 PM

BackDoorFlush

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Meh, probably shoving flop given stack sizes and pot size.

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12-27-2017 , 09:31 PM

Nozsr

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More pre, and we might get fewer callers, and we might feel better and do better.

$30 is a sizing often used in loose 1/2 games.

We don't want 3 callers with KK.

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01-01-2018 , 09:35 PM

Nogyong

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With an SPR 3:1 on the flop, we can just jam and feel fairly comfortable about it.

You say SB looks tight passive, but you also say you've only seen him play about 1 hour.

As played, the river is *sigh* fold. He's not doing this into two players with QJ, K9 or stupidly played QQ often enough.

AJ got there. KQ got there.

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01-01-2018 , 10:24 PM

sai1b0ats

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Shove flop.

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01-02-2018 , 02:12 PM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by sai1b0ats

Shove flop.

For those saying this, what worse hand do we think is going to call?

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01-02-2018 , 02:17 PM

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tellypl

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@shorn, have you played live? Plenty of worse hands will call here at this depth.

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01-02-2018 , 02:19 PM

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sai1b0ats

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Originally Posted by shorn7

For those saying this, what worse hand do we think is going to call?

They are calling with nearly their entire range.

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01-02-2018 , 02:24 PM

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Avaritia

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With an spr of 1 or whatever it doesnt really matter if they call. Folding out equity is significant.

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01-02-2018 , 02:27 PM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by tellypl

@shorn, have you played live? Plenty of worse hands will call here at this depth.

Play live all the time and in the games I sit, I rarely see people calling off their stack with top/top or worse unless they are really short.

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01-02-2018 , 03:27 PM

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Case2

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These stacks are pretty short. More importantly, with our call there's 335 in the pot with <=200 behind so a jam still offers >2:1. It's going to be hard not to stack off if someone has outflopped us. The board has some draws, and top pair might well talk itself into a call given the board and the odds.

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01-02-2018 , 03:45 PM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Play live all the time and in the games I sit, I rarely see people calling off their stack with top/top or worse unless they are really short.

The only V who is not really short folds on the flop. They are calling w/ AJ, QJ, any 9, QT and maybe few other random hands. If I don't shove this flop, I just give up. Calling is by far the worst play (sorry OP).

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01-03-2018 , 07:29 AM

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Nogyong

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Play live all the time and in the games I sit, I rarely see people calling off their stack with top/top or worse unless they are really short.

The board is JT8r and we have KK.

After SBs donk bet and cut-off's call there is 265 in the pot.

SB has 170 left. CO has 200 left. Hero has them covered.

If we flat call making the pot 335, what card are you wanting to see on the turn?

There is just too much dead money in the pot. Even if some of the time we are up against JT, we still have 30% equity against that hand (but only if we get the chips in on the flop).

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01-03-2018 , 08:15 AM

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Chicagodude

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Reraise shove flop, no question about it, the guy wouldn't call there i don't think

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01-03-2018 , 11:23 AM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by Nogyong

Nope you guys are right. For some reason I was thinking this was 1/2 or 1/3 and not 2/5. Deffo too much dead $ for any play other than GII. My bad.

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01-03-2018 , 11:45 AM

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Joey913

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Clear shove on flop.

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