I have a bit of history with villain. He is a LAG spew-tard. He'll raise with ATC, fire barrels, limp-call huge raises with trash, etc. He'll go through a $1000 stack at 2/5 in under 2 hours without even playing a big pot.

Eff. stacks $500, villain covers by a couple.

Villain opens in the CO to $20.

Hero calls OTB with 9 8. I know he'll continue on any flop but I have often floated him and taken it on the turn or river if he gives up.

Flop ($42): 2 6 7

Villain grabs a handful of reds and bets ~$100.

He usually has a good hand when he bets big. I saw him open to $50 with aces, $40 with A-K, and $20 with trash. His bets generally indicate the strength of his hand (Did I mention how much I love this guy?)

Hero... ?

if i know theres a very solid chance that his $100 bet means he's not folding, im jamming the flop. im going to gamble for the double up. also, by jamming here sometimes you may just be able to get him to fold and pick up an easy $120 with 9 high.

+1

shove or call, what´s your mood?

You really can't go wrong here equity-wise. Just try to get the money now or OTT. What's your image? Does V b/f?have you seen him overbet before? Flat and jam all turns seems fine to me. So does a min raise jam all turns.

that´s the one line i wouldnt take
ott we have considerably less FE and less pot equity, you can´t go wrong shoving flop equity wise, you can´t go wrong calling flop, calling turn since he´s prob paying you off, but calling flop jamming blank turns seems the only spewy line unless he´s known to double barrel with air

Your strategy is to play poor hands, hope to get lucky, put your money into the pot while you're behind and fall in love with the guy with the better hand?!

Given the feedback you're getting I guess your strategy is pretty popular.

Why don't you think about the range of hands your Villain has, do you feel your flush draw will get paid if you hit, will you fold if the board pairs, the pot odds he's laying you -> it's 100 to win 242 needing 41.3% equity, etc., are you 41.3% likely to hit your draw on the turn, etc.

Your post has name-calling, you might want to consider adding some poker-related content.

I don't get your post. Calling in position to play a pot against the fish is fine here.

In terms of your discussion on calling, this is why people are recommending just jamming, you're crushing one pair hands obv, have ~55% against overpairs here, flipping against two pairs, ~40% against sets and ~35% against higher flush draws/overs (which I do think could be in his range, not sure if you have any more info on if they could be OP). Shoving might fold out the big flush draws which you're the most behind against while allowing him to call light with hands you're ahead of because he "puts you on a draw" that he doesn't realize he's behind against.

If the turn comes a blank (mostly overcards) you lose a ton of equity and now have ~$380 left behind in a pot of ~$240. That's a pretty awkward spot to be in IMO when your equity is now like 40% best case scenarios (discounting him having bare straight draws). Not to mention that he might just shut down on any non-blank turns. Jam all day

Pretty simple spot imo.

Seeing flops in position with a suited connector against a whale is entirely standard, especially CO vs BTN.

Flop is an easy shove, or an easy raise to $275 or whatever you want. You described him as someone that could burn 200 bb's in a couple hours without playing a big pot, that tells me he likes to put in a lot of chips on bluffs or intending to fold to extra aggression...in other words, the kind of you guy have a lot of FE against. That doesn't really matter though, you just flopped OESD, flush draw, and 2 overs just in case the dude has A7. Get it in yo.

Meh... A check call OTF followed by a C/R OTT is generally the line with the most fold equity, but yes this line does give up true equity in the hand. The reason I suggested it is because it keeps the V on the line with a wide range as he commits himself to the pot OTT (v is know to double barrel with weak hands if I remember this post correctly). If Villain decides to check back turn then that's fine too since we just drew with great odds. Personally, I'm probably raising the flop bet as a standard play since our reads on this V are slightly generic. IRL, I'd like to think that I would have better info against a player like this who warrants lots of attention; thus, I'd know whether this guy can find the fold button OTF.

All you can eat.

Make it 200 and do not fold.

A donk is NEVER EVER folding a big flush draw.

OP just cause he sizes he raises preflop that way doesn't mean he bases his postflop sizing on the same logic unless you've seen proof that he does. I'm shipping and showing the table if he folds cause of our ridiculously high equity even vs his value hands. Added bonus of being great for your table image.

"He raises draws! I gotta stack off my TPNK!"

If the only question is how to get the money in fastest then I guess I made the right play. I shoved, he snap called, and his two pair held. He had 7-2.

You are a favorite against that hand. Shoving is fine. Hopefully you showed your hand, since the other fish at the table will probably give you a lot more action on your flop raises after seeing that.

My point is this:
1. We've put no thought into what hands our Villain is raising, so we have no idea of our equity. Therefore we have no idea whether he likely has a set or an overpair on the flop.
2. We're paying 25 dollars to play a hand that's going to hit the flop about 12% of the time.
3. If it does we get the honor of putting in our money on a coin flip.
I'll take that game with you. We'll flip three quarters, if any of them are heads I'll take your 25 dollars; 12.5% of the time you'll find a tails. Else we'll go 50/50 for 500. Only the largest of donks are in favor this game.
4. There's nothing poker related in the OP. Nothing at all.
5. We'd be better off playing roulette, craps. You can get close to 50/50 there all the time. You don't have to pay 25 dollars pre-flop to get it.
6. You don't play profitable poker hoping to shove getting 50/50, or hoping someone might shut down.

In the future console yourself with thinking about the situation from a poker perspective.

I'm assuming everyone here said shove, but there's one thing that probably hasnt been addressed and thats preflop; 3bet him

and here's why.

Lets pretend for a second this was a limped pot. You would probably raise to isolate and then the hand would play itself. Villain may have raised preflop but there's 2 crucial elements here: 1) he's in the CO, 2) he's a moron.

What this means is that his raise is basically meaningless, he might as well have limped. Vs this kind of player his range is the same no matter what he does, and 98s fares well enough against a random hand that there's plenty of incentive to isolate.

Very good point you raise, but:

This is a perfectly fine alternative to 3betting now, especially since we have a sizing tell that we can use postflop as well as preflop.

sorry but this is pretty bad advice

villain won't fold pre so that leaves little merit to 3betting a hand that plays infinitely better here in a flatted pot IP versus an inflated one

3betting should probably be weighted moreso towards the top 15% range for value while flatting the remainder of the top 30-35%.... maybe even wider if you have some concrete reads in his postflop betting patterns and willing to call down light

1) OP said villain raises ATC. He raised 72 in this spot. We're definitely +ev enough to call in position with high suited connectors.
2) Against ATC we're not only hitting 12.5% of flops. We have greater than 50% equity on 40% of flops. In this case we have ~53% equity vs his 72. With money already in the pot it's clearly +EV.



3) Bad analogy, give me the option to get some additional info after the 2nd quarter is flipped (aka see the flop) and I'll play all day.
4) I thought it was a pretty interesting spot.
5) You're discounting the times we can straight outplay him post-flop.
6) See below for equity by turn cards. I've changed his range to be what he actually had here but I'll show the ATC graph as well. We're either crushing or stuck calling off in a marginally -EV spot. You can see why it's terrible for hero when he shuts down on turn and you're better off just sticking it in on the flop where you're only a major dog to higher flush draws and have decent fold equity (cause if he fires again turn he's never going away). We don't have the odds to just see a turn on the flop after the overbet and the only good outcome is if we get a free/very cheap river when it blanks.

vs 72


vs ATC


edit: Maybe I'm just a fish though and vastly overestimate how often he shuts down on heart turns.

If he comes in 20 ATC - I'm assuming this includes {JX +}
So what's the plan if you call and a hits and he leads out? If he checks?
As played GII if you have any FE whatsoever.

call the flop, bink the turn, stack him

Your post had poker-related content.

If the OP thinks about poker he hides it well.

Therefore I respond one way to him and a different way to you.

Good post!

Ok so villain showed down 72o. He's folding to a 3bet preflop. We need to establish a 3bet range beyond AA, so that when we get AA next time he decides to play back at us and ship 72o allin pre to teach us a lesson. Everyone gives respect to the first 3bet, but the 2nd or 3rd one? Thats when people get suspicious. In fact it's a pretty good idea to always make your first 3bet a bluff. It will also do well for our table image in the event that he flats with AA or something and we show down 98s in a 3bet pot.

Thanks to everyone who contributed in a helpful way to the thread.

Au4all - **** off.