Are you really pretending to be a serious poker player with a goal of getting into flips against donks? Is that the best you can do?

If Villain is playing any two cards you didn't even pick a hand that's ahead of ATC -> 98s.

Your poker skill leads you to believe that the donk is bad at fiips?

Given your insulting PM I guess you wanted to hear that you played it like a Rock Star. Next time put a note in your OP that that's what you're looking for.

What part of "Don't post in my threads anymore" did you misunderstand?

No point in doing anything other than stuffing.

if you're not shoving this then why call a raise preflop with 8h9h?

I think what you're missing here is meta-game. We need to be able to push hands like this in marginal situations to help us get paid off later. Especially hands where we're never making that big of a mistake getting it in behind.

I never said we shouldn't shove. This is the most obvious spot in the world.

But how often do we see threads like this:
1. Easy spot
2. Insult the other players
3. If you put hero's hand into pokerstove pre-flop it's behind ATC
4. No useful reads, no analysis, no poker content, etc.

My point is that this isn't how we take advantage of weak players. If everyone played their cards face up through the whole hand -- no one would have done anything differently.

If someone was a lousy poker player he would be happy playing against the guy who created this thread.

Some noobs ITT. au4all is right, flipping stacks 50/50 isn't how you play profitable poker, ESPECIALLY against a dude willing to put the money in with ATC. You can easily find a way better spot against this villain. This isn't a rock where you need nut vs second nut to get his money. What's the rush here?

Say you call the flop. What's his bet likely to be on the turn? 100-150? What if he checks? That's a green light to bet big. Or take that free card, whatever. You can bet here and reduce his calling range (assume we don't read him for two pair, which he obviously won't fold), whereas in the flop it's wider. If your intent is to get all of the money in anyway, playing the extra street gives you a better chance to win by making him fold all but 2pr+ hands (unless he loves his top pair). He's raising and betting ATC, but not calling ATC.. is he?

Having said that, yeah, I'm putting a raise here over half the time. With this villain, though, calling and reevaluating the turn is an acceptable option. Making a move on the turn increases the chances he folds, which is exactly what you want when your hand isn't made yet, despite your equity.

Villain showed down 72o, and I have a feeling that was no surprise to OP given description. So that being said, is there ever a good turn card to evaluate? If his 72o hit nothing on the flop then he's folding to a shove there too. With this kind of player anything he calls a shove with on the flop he's calling with on the turn I'd imagine. The way I see it by flatting his cbet which is just as likely air as it is the nuts, we are giving him a chance to catch up on the turn and then snap us off when we ship.