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2-5: middle set vs tough opponent 2-5: middle set vs tough opponent

04-14-2013 , 02:41 PM
Me: early 30s, very TAG image at this table, I've only shown down a few big hands, and they have all been good stuff when I actually got to showdown.

Villain: about the same age as me, we've been playing together for about 5 hours. He got coolered by a fish early, then immediately re-bought for $1k (this room lets you buy-in for 70% of the big stack). He likes to limp a lot of hands in MP/LP, but also will raise a bit too. Very much a multilevel thinking player postflop. I haven't really seen him go to showdown much, but when he does he usually has premium hands. He is straddling about every other orbit.

Our only real history is a hand earlier where I 3-bet squeezed from the button with JTo, he was the only caller, flop came 2 tone J high. He c/c my flop bet, then led a blank turn for about 2/3-pot, I jammed, he tank-folded and showed a J.

On to the hand:
7 handed
V has about $900, I cover.

Villain straddles UTG to $10
I am UTG+1 and raise to $35 with black 44
MP1 and BTN call, blinds fold, villain calls from the straddle.

Flop: (Pot ~$140)
943r
Villain checks, I bet $65, MP and BTN fold, villain thinks for a few seconds and calls.

Turn: (pot $270)
off suit 2 completing the rainbow.

I bet $110, V thinks for a few seconds and jams for what is just about $730 total (I didn't ask for an exact count, but after the dealer pulled in $110 from each of us it was a full stack of green, a full stack of red, and a little stack of mixed red/white that he had).

Hero?
(If this is always an automatic fist-pump snap call, and I'm just an idiot, please let me know and I'll have a mod delete this thread asap).
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04-14-2013 , 02:51 PM
Maybe he didn't wanna give up the hand he just straddled, called the good player who raised utg+1 who must have a monster type hand, and then the turn just gave him 2s and 3s to Ha Ha your high pocket pair.
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04-14-2013 , 03:06 PM
You could find a fold here. But I prolly call. Hope to pair the board. Smaller set and 2 pair are in his range. But A5 suited seems most likely.

It's very read dependent. Does he jam with straight here or would he raise and shove river. Looks to me like he has a hand but wants to use his fold equity here. For that one reason I call. You still have outs if he has straight.
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04-14-2013 , 03:09 PM
Flop - I get that it's a pretty dry board, and we welcome action, but i make it 85-90 on the flop. If someones going to call 65, then their probably calling 85-90. Let's build a pot. I guess it all depends on how consistent this is with your normal sizing.

Turn - Again, need to bet more. Build pot to play for stacks. Lead 175. As played, I think you have to call. Your betting makes you look pretty weak going back to your pfr. He could easily be putting you on 77+, or another weak value hand and think you're stabbing to take it down. Your only behind 99, a5, 56. AND you have outs!

I don't like his c/r on the turn, but you're getting almost 2-1 on a call and think your way ahead of that range.

Note, if you bet more on the flop and turn then the hand plays itself and you have to call.
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04-14-2013 , 03:13 PM
Why in the world would you put him on A5?

This is a mandatory call, there's plenty of worse in his range, and if there's better, you're crushed by precisely one hand.
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04-14-2013 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by THEOSU
Why in the world would you put him on A5?

This is a mandatory call, there's plenty of worse in his range, and if there's better, you're crushed by precisely one hand.
A5 sooted is well with in his straddle defense range and he might peel/float the flop oop with it

But agree that we need to call
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04-14-2013 , 03:31 PM
TT-QQ are easily in his range, as are 97s, maybe even 43s 42s
obviously youre afraid of 65s and biger sets but

regardless this thread is a joke bc u can never fold snap call and expcet to see A9-K9s or TT+ a lot of the time
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04-14-2013 , 03:39 PM
Ok, thanks. I put his range at something like 99, 33, 45, 56, and maybe a very small % towards A5 and 23.

Results: I tanked for an eternity, and folded (ugh!), he flashed me A5hh (was sitting right next to me), then chucked it into the muck, entire table had a fit about show one show all especially after I held up the game for so long.

I felt good about my fold for about 5 minutes afterwards just being results oriented, then I immediately started thinking about what % of his range was actually beating me there and I felt worse and worse about it.

Sorry for the clutter, just let this thread die.
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04-14-2013 , 03:43 PM
I'm betting more on the flop and turn but I think the river fold is good. I seriously doubt he does that with 2pair

inb4 results oriented
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04-14-2013 , 03:44 PM
Call. Bet bigger on flop,90-100 is good. U need to get value from ur hand, charge draws, and set up a river shove
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04-14-2013 , 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by frostbrn
Me: early 30s, very TAG image at this table, I've only shown down a few big hands, and they have all been good stuff when I actually got to showdown.

Villain: about the same age as me, we've been playing together for about 5 hours. He got coolered by a fish early, then immediately re-bought for $1k (this room lets you buy-in for 70% of the big stack). He likes to limp a lot of hands in MP/LP, but also will raise a bit too. Very much a multilevel thinking player postflop. I haven't really seen him go to showdown much, but when he does he usually has premium hands. He is straddling about every other orbit.

Our only real history is a hand earlier where I 3-bet squeezed from the button with JTo, he was the only caller, flop came 2 tone J high. He c/c my flop bet, then led a blank turn for about 2/3-pot, I jammed, he tank-folded and showed a J.

On to the hand:
7 handed
V has about $900, I cover.

Villain straddles UTG to $10
I am UTG+1 and raise to $35 with black 44
MP1 and BTN call, blinds fold, villain calls from the straddle.

Flop: (Pot ~$140)
943r
Villain checks, I bet $65, MP and BTN fold, villain thinks for a few seconds and calls.

Turn: (pot $270)
off suit 2 completing the rainbow.

I bet $110, V thinks for a few seconds and jams for what is just about $730 total (I didn't ask for an exact count, but after the dealer pulled in $110 from each of us it was a full stack of green, a full stack of red, and a little stack of mixed red/white that he had).

Hero?
(If this is always an automatic fist-pump snap call, and I'm just an idiot, please let me know and I'll have a mod delete this thread asap).
On the surface, villain is repping 56...However, You have to ask yourself whether this villain is capable of getting creative with a hand like 4-5 or A-4 or even A9.. he is the straddler and he is closing the action. I am assuming he isn't straddling to only continue with a top 20% hand. Therefore, I think his range can include all the junky 2pair hands that may have a draw to go with it.

Your betsizing is way too small on both streets which also suggests to me that you are bet/folding, which would make a shove profitable for villain, as Villain is leveraging his entire stack to maximize FE. Villain is NEVER putting you on middle set here due to your preflop raise and your bet sizing flop and turn, so hero is also underrepped significantly here. Your perceived range is capped at overpair


I think the number of weaker 2pair/combo type hands >> the combos of A5 and 56...plus you're not drawing dead if villain shows up with a straight.

I am calling here
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