Morning game, maybe 12 noon. Table playing mostly fast and loose.

V1 (4000): MAWG, has been at game since 7 PM the night before, so about 17 hours in. Has big stack. He's playing weird, limping lots, but raising 7-10x when he comes in for raise. Betting air a lot, acting fast. He's definitely competent, but he's tired and looks confused in some standard spots. When he has a big decision to make, he counts his stack as if he wants to see how much he'll have left if he loses. He seems to perceive me as dangerous and not someone to create large pots with.

V2 (1400): MAWG, aggressive, competitive, doesn't like playing against me, fast and loose in general, likes to gamble, likes to play draws fast, will call down with bad draws. Has been playing lots of pots against V1, and recently moved to gain position on him. He lost a couple big pots against V1 so he has his mind on revenge.

Hero (3000): been in the game for 3 hours or so. Running pretty hot and almost all bluffs have been working. Not really getting paid on big hands though, which may have been leading to a bit of tilt.

V1 limps, V2 limps, I raise to 35 in CO with As5s with the intention of narrowing the field, winning the button, and creating a pot if I hit something.

Surprisingly the button, 2 blinds call. V1 and V2 call.

6 players to flop (210): 8s 6s 2d.

Blinds check. V1 bets 60 quickly, V2 instantly throws 3 blacks out (300), Hero?

I look behind and everyone else is telegraphing fold.

Is this a call or raise to 800 (max)? Is anybody ever folding?

Not if I think I can win $1.5K. I doubt I'd get the right price ott if an offsuit 5 or 7 came & how much do we like our pair of aces when when turns up? May be why I don't crush the game.

How do you range V2 preflop? It looks like a pretty clear raise unless there's some reason to believe V2's range is heavy on sets. I don't really like calling. We don't have anything like direct odds and both an A or flush turn is going to look scary after we flat 300, so our implied odds are questionable. Also if V2 is heavy sets - which is the only reason I would call - then I don't really want to be drawing vs him, either.

To explain reasoning a bit more: the chance V1 has anything good is essentially nil. He limps a lot, so he has a wide range, and he's not going to lead 60 into 210 into a crowd with a set. We have decent equity against everything (27% vs sets, 37% vs top two) and V2 might be pretty wide.

I think this is usually a reraise for me. Not only do you have the nut flush draw but a few different backdoor straight draws. These villains seem loose too. overpairs shouldn’t be in their range after limp/calling preflop.

Folding here isn’t really an option for me. Maybe if the reraise to 300 was from a super-nit. Other than that, I’d say call or raise and raise is probably best.

Right. I think V2's range is mostly good combo draws, not so good flush draws, good top pairs. I'm almost certain he doesn't have a set or 2P because he literally insta-raised as if he's been waiting all day to do it.

Seems like reraise is the obvious play.

I raise to 800. V1 tanks for about 2 minutes. Now, that he's tanking, I think he has bottom/middle set (more weighted toward bottom), two pair, or pair+flush draw. He calls. V2 folds after about a minute.

Turn Tr: x, x.
River 7r: x, x

V1 had 86 for 2P. V2 walked away disgusted so must have hit a straight.

If the max bet wasn't 500, I obviously would have bet the turn, but nobody is folding OTT w/ anything they call flop with.

Thanks for your input, just wanted to confirm my thinking.

That cap kind of puts a dampener on multi-barrel bluffs. Doesn't change my flop line because the initial raise is the main way I intend the bluff to operate.

IDK if betting the turn is a good idea even uncapped. What are you hoping to make him fold?

If I shipped the turn, if he had pair+flush draw, I think he would fold on turn. He might even fold bottom set. He looked super pained to call the flop. At the time, I hadn't been caught bluffing in a few hours and was playing solid.

But with 86, he blocks lots of my potential sets.

It would have played differently without a cap I think. I would have raised to like 1100 OTF. If turn went x, x, I would have bombed river.

What's pair + FD going to look like? Would he limp-call K2s UTG?

Yes, he was playing like 60%+ hands. Limping lots. I mean he limp-called 86o in EP. I was also in a pot with him where I had 85hh and he had 32hh. I forget the positions but he limped.

He had a big stack, was late in his session, and wanted to play hands.

I think NFD is a call to try and string along worse draws. A flop 3bet would be better with combo draws such as Ts9s to try and squeeze out better FDs.

I think that's super wrong, being up against worse flush draws and having them both hit is a very rare event. You don't want to build your strategy around that. Plus, even if that's what they have, things can go wrong. Example: you flat, V1 folds. Turn blank, V2 bets 500. Now what? Maybe he has a worse FD but it doesn't really matter. You don't remotely have odds against the rest of his range. The other thing is that many flush draws (like Ts9s) will continue even against a reraise.

Taking the pot down if you threebet is a common occurrence. That's where your money will come from, not pipe dreams of stacking people with flush-over-flush.

So don’t fold. V2 is repping draws and 2p+ so a raise is just isolating his range to more hands that beat us. Taking the pot down with a raise is nice but that doesn’t mean it maximizes profitability.

Who is villian 2?...Does he wear an oveshaped hat and his name starts with an M,anyway around it,I’m folding,mostly because of the cap and the obviousness of your draw...maybe I’m a nit but even the spewiest MAWG shuts down after you flat and the flush comes in and this looks like sets and weirdly played overpairs.

This seems like spew. From all 3 contestants.

Can't come up with single reason V1 doesn't max raise you with top 2.

Or why you take the chance to get reraised and have to fold your equity. Or call off another $500.

Getting this bluff through, just seems so unlikely.

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I don't think it's unlikely at all. V2 folded, we ran into V1 having top two pair for his 30% of pot lead into like 5 opponents, which seems pretty unlikely. Getting reraised 500 more is not a huge deal, we have 37% equity even against top two. Putting in $1000 is only losing us $260 in equity, meanwhile at the point we cold threebet, the pot is already 570.