I've been at the table for about an hour and a half at this point. It hasn't been terribly aggressive. PFR aren't occurring often enough to expect a raise every hand. A few limpers then some callers after a raise is typical. Chopping the blinds even happens between 1-3 times/ dealer down. Not many 3 bets and no 4 bet have occurred.


UTG+1:definitely the spot at the table. Chases a lot, even w/ gutshots and no implied odds. I've seen him raise the river with a straight against a flush that was made on the turn (not a bluff).

Villain: when I first sat down he was involved in more pots than recently. I folded to his reraise on the flop when we were hu and i was the pfr for one of my first few hands. I also stole a took a pot OOP when I sensed weakness and he was the pfr. Other than that not much history. Lately he hasn't been involved in a lot of hands. Doesn't show down too often, but raises at a TAGish frequency. My read originally was he was fairly loose with his calls preflop.

HJ: mid 20's player that has been fairly tight pre. He won't show a lot of aggression pre or post. If he gets involved pre he is usually raising. Doesn't get involved in a lot of pots, and certainly not raising.

I have $445 (rebuy, ldo) and everyone covers with UTG+1 having the most.

UTG+1 & Villain limp. HJ raises to $35.

Hero has JJ otb and called.

It's folded to UTG+1 and he calls. Villain reraises to $175.

HJ folds.

Hero?

I could've reraised in position after HJ. Since the original pfr is fairly tight pre that would define my range a lot. I feel like I could play better post flop than him, but I'd rather disguise my range a little for the higher chance of playing for stacks. Plus I really wanted to keep UTG+1 in the hand. He is a lot more likely to pay me off than anyone else in this hand so far.

MP's 3 bet here felt odd to me. He limped with players behind him that aren't very aggressive pre flop. For someone that seems like a thinking player it feels more like a steal to me. Why would he limp in MP in such an odd spot. I didn't see any telegraphing from the people acting after him, so no indication of extreme interest.

His bet sizing seems perfect for me to be committed if I call. Is a jam ever working here? Should I have just 3 bet originally even though our hand range is very defined and UTG+1 would probably be out?

I think the play here is that you should have been off the table a half hour ago when everyone is chopping and no pre-flop raising! But I guess if it was the only game going and you are in a spot where there isn't another casino or game within 20 minutes, you are stuck here, so let's analyze.

Villian seems to be fishy if he is chasing down all sorts of gutters and even though you both have a hand where you played post flop aggressively, I think this is an easy lay down pre.

Yes, logically, why does he limp in a game where nobody raises pre-flop with a bigger-than-jacks hand? But we have said it, he's pretty fishy if he is a chaser, or the type that can never lay down top pair. That's the vibe I get from you explanation.

In my experience, these are the people that love to get all tricky with aces and kings, always limping and re-raising. Or they limp to try and get what they think is value when just opening 4x will get callers regardless, unless the game is just that bad. Which it does seem like it is.

Since we are stuck at a bad and tight table, even if you think it is a steal, is it worth putting your whole stack in if you are dead wrong? Even if it is A-5 or something bogus, committing stacks pre-flop with a hand like jacks isn't the right play since we are playing deep.

I think the better play is to continue to see flops and start creating some pots. Be the pre-flop raiser and look like you are the loose player at the table and make pots. Then you can out-play your opponents post and later if needed.

Perhaps you are good here, but I just feel like this isn't a good spot to be jamming with jacks and giving all the tight wads a table laugh when your opponent turns over aces. Of course you can just meekly muck them when you see it, but this just is never a good spot, unless you know 100% you are good. You have $35 invested. Eat it and play your $400 stack and start rolling with it.

Saddle in, know it's going to take some time, create pots, and triple your money in 3-4 hours. I am not good for these acronyms on here, so you said you were $445 (rebuy, ldo)? What's that mean? lol

3 bet pre, no one gives you credit for having a hand otb and utg1 may call any way. Less than 100 bb's I think we have to play our value hands fast.

Since we didn't do this, we can probably fold here w/ out much harm. In saying that, most players will not call/re raise from mp w/ big pairs. the l/rr from ep yes, but call/rr is more often then not a smaller pp 22-88. Your under repped. I think this could go either way based on how I felt at the time. You indicated that you felt he was making a move, if that's the case I'd probably go with it and shove.

3-bet preflop, but as played think the correct action is to fold. If you trust your read about him making a move - then shove.

3bet pre is going to be weird with our short-ish stack since he opened to 7x.

Say we make it 110, he calls, pot is 225 and we have 335 left. We're in an awkward spot on a lot of flops.

shove with 80bb stack when you think opponent is capable of squeezing. If he's a thinking player as you've described I think his squeezing range could be very wide. Assigning a range, pairs of 66+, ATsuited+. you have most of his range crushed. Calling and letting him bink his card is out of question as we will be playing a guessing game as SPR will become low on the flop.

Shoving 80 bb is optimum imo.

Do you think we'll be passing up on a big +ev situation. If we maintain good bank roll and want to make use of the most, i feel its an easy spot to shove. the opponent is l/rr from middle position. seems pretty likely he's holding a marginal hand. For 80 bb if we call and win the pot, then we can play the style you recommend with close to 180bb where our post flop edge can be dominant.

Opinions??

for 80 bb if we shove and win the pot*

If I were in a place were I had the luxury of table/game/casino selection I'd be gone.

You have the wrong villain. The one you are speaking of I wanted in the pot. Had he 3 bet I'm not sure I would do anything but jam preflop.

ldo is like duh obviously.

I like the idea of creating the action. It is higher variance, but it is less mind numbing than the game I was playing. I was on a short timeline for this session, so I didn't want to put in the effort then end up leaving soon afterwards.

I hate this spot but calling pre is best.

If we 3-bet, HJ is 4-betting hands that have us crushed and possibly folding a lot of hands we beat. If he was raising more loosely and willing to call with a wider range, I'd definitely 3-bet.

I just hate calling because it allows the two players behind us to call with a lot of their range and then we're essentially set-mining. We give up on any A/K/Q-high boards and even on low boards we can't feel great about our hand.

However, it is still better than 3-betting a nitty player with JJ and allowing him to play perfectly.

Calling pre not 3betting with a mini stack like this as it was stated "Deep" um no.. its even under 100bb.

Over his limp/rr insta shipping it in. Calling that rr is terrible and folding vs his line doesnt make any sense.

Who said deep? I certainly didn't.

I agree with your logic. His line doesn't lend much credibility to him having a hand here so it's only a shove.

I don't 3bet a lot but I would here.

AP, fold because not near enough odds to mine. If you think he's wider than high pp's I guess shove.

Imo, played it fine if you fold.

Given your descript, I'll range HJ as 99+/AQ+/KQs. I think 3-betting pre folds almost all hands we are ahead of, evidence his fold in actual hand. 3-bet/fold is not a solid play given eff stack, so why get ourselves into that spot. The awkward stack size may also commit us on certain flop textures.

As played, snap jam.

But I'd have 3b pre to like $125, and probably jammed safe flops.