Ok so live 2/5 game.
info on villain: only been at table for half an orbit, older white guy. he sat with ~650 in red and two green, which I interpreted as a person who ran it up at 1/2 and decided to give the next level a try.

villain has 680 to start hand i cover

pre. villain opens to 10 in mp (obv smaller than standard open for this game), HJ CO and BTN call, I call in sb with 75, bb calls. 5 handed to the flop.

Flop TT5
checked around.

turn 5
I bet 25, bb folds, villain thinks for a second and minraises to 50. folds to me, I call.

river 5.
I tank for ~15 seconds, then overbet 285 into 150. villain asks dealer to count the bet, and after about 10 seconds of thinking shoves all in for 620 total, 335 more to hero.
Is this a call?

Sometimes I like to call by sliding in all of my stack...for dramatic effect. Other times I just fling in a green chip (indicating a call). Still other times I simply verbally announce "I call".

Either of these lines is fine here.

He does this with any 10. Call

This is a fold.... if you're playing razz and or 2-7 triple draw

I mean he has TT sometimes (read: this time), but he has all dem others Ts too.

Folding 5x here would be god awful

I always fold here, quads are never good... Ever...

Fold, he has you out kicked.

I'd stand up, fist pump, high five the dealer, then say "call". It's clearly the superior line.

If you have a good reason to believe quad-5s are no good, then by all means throw them away.

"info on villain: only been at table for half an orbit, older white guy".

He hasn't been there long enough for you to get a read on him. Given that, and that he came in raising, figure him for a pocket pair JJ+ or he's holding a ten. It's none too likely he'd figure you for the case five.

Call him, and if he does have the other two tens in his hand, oh well, c'est le vie!

i play at harrah's philadelphia. let me know when you can come by. i will take the night off to play with you. sounds like fun.

WTF? You can't be serious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

Yeah he's gonna do this with any and all Tx. If he has Tx he has the nuts to the case 5, he's shoving Tx here 100% of the time. It's even possible he has an overpair and mistakenly thinks the river saved him from your Tx. That's probably at least as likely as him having TT.

Is there anyway he could have Five 5's? Maybe the deck is messed up and he has pocket fives .
Any way five of a kind beats four of a kind . He could have 55555 or TTTT5 Fold

Is this a joke?

if he is not terribad, you are never good here (more likely) -- unless he is such an expert that he knows you have a 5 and feels you are competent enough to get you off of it (a long shot).

but judging from the responses in this thread, perhaps i am underestimating the number of terribad players playing at this limit

The river is such an obvious call that I'm going to derail the thread by asking a more important question: why are we betting the turn?

I think I go with your option #3

obviously OP ran into quads and is wondering how he could have soul read his way out of it...

OP, BBV is that way ----------------->

My guess would be because we enjoy being fisted by random Tx hands which are the only hands that are calling our turn bet.

Rule#1... I'm just never folding quads. ONLY possible scenario I can imagine folding quads is a board like: KQQJT when its obvious that villains Ax just made the royal. Beyond that... Yeah see above rule.

Ps bad beat jackpot in this game??

OP, may I come to your home and strike you?

In my normal games I think the EV of 3! betting pre in most games >>> EV of flatting pre, as long as you aren't doing it every hand obv. If you only have a value 3! range normally this is the kind of spot you pick it up pre a lot.

Folding quads is as good of a choice as letting this thread stay open. DUCWIDT?