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09-06-2013 , 11:18 PM
Hero - stack is $425 playing TAG, 60 yr old reg
villains 1 and 2 - both thinking sLAG ,20 something regs both cover hero

preflop - vil1 opens for $20, folds to hero in sb who flat calls with KsQs. Vil2 also flats from bb

Flop 8s 3s 3h $60

Hero and vil 1 check, vil 1 bets $30, hero calls, vil2 checkraises to $130, vil1 folds , hero ???

Comments on all streets appreciated
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09-06-2013 , 11:50 PM
Jam

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09-07-2013 , 01:17 AM
Donk flop. Your hand now looks like a flush draw. As played I probably shove.
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09-07-2013 , 01:18 AM
Ummm no, just fold.
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09-07-2013 , 01:32 AM
Against a lag I'm 3 betting pre then leading good flops.
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09-07-2013 , 01:35 AM
Two questions: what position did V1 open from, and how deep are he and V2?

If they're not much more than 100BB deep then V2 is always playing {88,33,A3s,Ax #12} like this and you have 14.2% equity against that range. Right now there is $250 in the pot and you're risking ($375 - .142 * $900) = $247 when called so you need him to be bluffing about half the time to break even on the jam.

It's definitely possible that he bluffs 12+ combos here but you are better equipped to decide that than us.

Last edited by interesting.frog; 09-07-2013 at 01:41 AM.
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09-07-2013 , 01:42 AM
3bet to 60-65 pre. As played....I just fold. I feel like he has axss or 88 or 3x a decent amount of the time and the rest u are flipping against a hand like 99,TT
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09-07-2013 , 02:11 AM
Call met nitty, but I'm never flatting this PF raise in SB unless the raiser is in CO or button, and not always then. KQs is easily dominated by an early- to mid-position raiser, and I'm going to be playing OOP. Why should I put money in the pot?

I do see the possibility of 3b defending (seizing initiative) against a sLAG raiser who is raising from late position, of course. Maybe I could respond more definitively if instead of sLAG, the OP specified a range for the original raiser based on position, history, and read.


-EF
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09-07-2013 , 11:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by interesting.frog
Two questions: what position did V1 open from, and how deep are he and V2?

If they're not much more than 100BB deep then V2 is always playing {88,33,A3s,Ax #12} like this and you have 14.2% equity against that range. Right now there is $250 in the pot and you're risking ($375 - .142 * $900) = $247 when called so you need him to be bluffing about half the time to break even on the jam.

It's definitely possible that he bluffs 12+ combos here but you are better equipped to decide that than us.
V1 is UTG(9-handed) and they both have around 1k
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09-07-2013 , 01:13 PM
I actually don't mind flatting oop here pre flop.
But this is a great flop for you and bb has 3x in his range. Your only real moves at this point is either folding (I feel this is a bit nitty) or jamming!

With your stack once you call the 130 you have almost no fold equity when you jam any turn!

Personally I'm jamming this flop now and expecting to get called by all 3s and over pairs! Knowing that a reload is my potential future!
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09-07-2013 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iluvsheesh
V1 is UTG(9-handed) and they both have around 1k
Hmm...in that case I think V2 is going after your stack (he would raise larger to try to stack AA for another $950). Furthermore, he would be more cautious about being oop with the nut flush draw on the turn against V1 with two pot size bets left...I would fold here.
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09-07-2013 , 03:57 PM
3bet preflop. Bet/Fold Flop and turn.
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09-07-2013 , 05:16 PM
Pre is a fold or a 3bet.

We can't profitably play this hand from the sb with no initiative pre and 80bbs.
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09-07-2013 , 06:19 PM
Lead flop...AP ship it... Your hand looks so much like a 3 that he's folding anything else... He could have a flush draw
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