Hero - reg, several hand history with V in must move table (short handed most time, has shown bluff and nutted hands)

V - rec, but not passive, haven't seen before, running good for the session, shows plenty of good hands and build his stack from $500 to little over 1k.

V ($860 stack) opens $15 utg which is his standard open size, 2 callers to Hero ($1.2K) in the btn call with A9, bb also calls. 5 way to the flop. (I know this is a standard spot to 3bet or fold, this is a mistake I made here).

($75) Flop 993 Utg cbet $35, fold to me raise to $75. V calls. I am trying to build the pot as there are $800 effective.

($225)Turn Q, V check-calls $130.

($485)River J, V checks, me bet $220 for thin value, V think for not too long raise allin for $640. hero???

Thoughts on all straights? what is the most +ev play on all straights?

Such a dry board there aren't to many hands you can be bluffing with here. With an UTG raise it could very easily be QQ or JJ. I doubt he has Q9 or J9.

I don't see to many bluffs here and I don't see him shipping it with KK or AA.

I just can't think of any hands you beat other than a random spaz bluff. It's sick, but I think fold is the correct play, although I don't know if I am doing that in the moment.

Fold pre.

Flop: Would prefer a flat or a real raise to like $115ish (probably prefer the real raise). Don't like announcing we may have a big hand without getting more money in. If he has 9, let's make sure we get it all in by the river without having to make huge turn/river bets.

Turn: Fine given flop action

River: Like the bet. I'm not good enough to fold to the c/r but we probably should. He's not doing this as a bluff and hard to believe he'd take this aggressive a line with a naked 9. He almost certainly has a boat 33/J9s/QQ/JJ.

what hand does V open raise with UTG that you are going to get thin-value from?

easy fold to the C/R

When utg check/call the turn, I kinda feel he has a strong hand so my first reaction is check back the river, but I was thinking I could still get thin value from AA/KK/9x. I am just not sure if this is +EV long term, also when we play 5-T or higher stacks, stacks are deeper, players are more capable to check-raise allin here to blow me out of the pot. V has a much stronger range than I could have. Therefore I actually doubt about the river bet. any thoughts?

Fold pre. /thread

But just for funsies, don't raise flop. AP fold to river c/r, this is QQ/JJ way more than it is KK/AA - he has to know you have 9x at a minimum now and he's not expecting you to fold 9x (which also could've easily boated up) or 33.

the math guys will give you the numbers

see bolded you are far from the nuts and as you state ,
so protect your stack and hope to add to it
before you value the river think what hands will pay you off and what hands are going to C/R you into folding or losing your stack.
don't forget he C/C your raise and turn action

I have no idea why you think you need to raise the flop in position here.

As played, ehh, you've played it like you have a nine and he's raising over you. He called on a bone dry flop. He has either what he thinks is a really big hand or a stone bluff in all likelihood.

Your hand is face up by the river. Snap folding to the reraise. This is a spot where if I took your line in a multi way pot I'm checking back river after the Q/J runout.

A9 is really bad hand against UTG open. I just muck here. When you flop an ace, you're never comfortable vs. any aggression. Basically the only good flops for you are 99x and A9x.

AP, I think this is a clear fold. He wouldn't do this with a bare 9, and he doesn't have a lot of 9's in his range anyway. This is highly likely a binked set ott or otr. nobody check/raise bluffs on river.

Lots of peoples ‘favorite hand’ include a 9, like 79-Q9s. As played I think it’s a crying call. Way too high in our range to fold. QJ is an unfavorable run out but the way the pot was managed I’m calling the $400 on the river. Would have liked to build either a larger or smaller pot. More on flop, surely more on turn and then river doesn’t really matter much. I don’t see Q’s or J’s playing this way. I’d say V has 9x, maybe boated up, maybe didn’t, but i’m About to find out.

We most certainly are not too far high in our range to call versus this runout and line. We beat nothing.

I think river is a clear fold in 2/5 or lower stakes. I know I made mistake pre-flop for calling.

My main concern is if the river bet is worth in long term as there're probably fewer hands we can get value than hands beat us.

Would you fold J9 here? Only real difference between A9 and J9 is the straight (unlikely) and card removal reducing likelihood V has JJ or J9 himself. If we’re worried V has Q9 or J9 in his range I think we have to include 10 9 and 8 9. I think we beat quite a bit more than nothing. I’m not fist pumping or tryin to reraise but I think it’s a fairly standard call.

One point we’re I often disagree with the 2+2ers is in regard to V’s ‘bluffing’ or having the nuts. V’s bet the rivers all the time here w/ 89 or something not as a bluff but as a value bet or shove because they flopped trips and faded a 4 flush or 4 straight run out. They slow played their monster to perfection and now have reeled in the H fish. They’re not merging ranges, they have no idea what they’re doing. Every V gets described as somewhere between full-****** and adequate and then on the river the full-****** section of V’s range disappears and he’s either nutted or ‘bluffing’. There are way more hands in the middle then on the extremes.

33, too, but you are making a fair point, although the real concern is that V should have a raising range here that has tons of QQ and JJ moreso than 98 or T9. He raised UTG.

V is competent and wants to GII. V raised from UTG. OP could give more clarity on raising frequencies, but how much J9 and 98 are in their UTG raising range?

I agree we're running into QQ with some frequency, but V shouldn't get to the river w/ JJ. And if V has QQ, b/c, c/c, c/CRAI is a weird line for it.

It's not a weird line at all when Hero has more or less announced he has 9x, 33, or air.