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09-19-2017 , 09:40 AM
Monday night 2/5; Hero is out of town rec player, most of the rest of table seems like weekday regs. Game is playing pretty standard, nobody seems too out of line, some 3 betting pre-flop going on.

Hero - rec player; slightly aggro image. Raising PF a bit more frequently than table average but also folding to 3 bets most of the time.

Villain - also a bit looser than most on the table. Looser preflop calling range and seems to waffle between passive and aggressive post flop, haven't figured out on what basis though.

Pre Flop
Hero ($750) is UTG raises to $25 (my standard open, table standard varied from $15 to $25)with AA

Villain ($covers) is UTG +1 calls

Cutoff calls

Flop ($75) - K109

Hero leads for $45 (I had been cbetting probably 70%)
Villain calls
Cutoff folds

Turn ($165) - A
Hero checks
Villain ponders for a while and checks

River ($165) - K
Hero checks
Villain bets $50
Hero C/R to $250


I was a little lost on turn TBH. Is not leading again way too timid? Felt like a W/A W/B situation and was planning to check call turn and river, although if a 4th club hits I may have screwed myself.

Is river a lead or C/R? and sizing?
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09-19-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by randomcards
Monday night 2/5; Hero is out of town rec player, most of the rest of table seems like weekday regs. Game is playing pretty standard, nobody seems too out of line, some 3 betting pre-flop going on.

Hero - rec player; slightly aggro image. Raising PF a bit more frequently than table average but also folding to 3 bets most of the time.

Villain - also a bit looser than most on the table. Looser preflop calling range and seems to waffle between passive and aggressive post flop, haven't figured out on what basis though.

Pre Flop
Hero ($750) is UTG raises to $25 (my standard open, table standard varied from $15 to $25)with AA

Villain ($covers) is UTG +1 calls

Cutoff calls

Flop ($75) - K109

Hero leads for $45 (I had been cbetting probably 70%)
Villain calls
Cutoff folds

Turn ($165) - A
Hero checks
Villain ponders for a while and checks

River ($165) - K
Hero checks
Villain bets $50
Hero C/R to $250


I was a little lost on turn TBH. Is not leading again way too timid? Felt like a W/A W/B situation and was planning to check call turn and river, although if a 4th club hits I may have screwed myself.

Is river a lead or C/R? and sizing?
First off, thought you played every street fine. V probably has you on a strong Ace, maybe AK on the flop. It looks like he is trying for a thin value bet on the river which points to him having a straight or a weaker flush. The issue is that the most obvious flush hands for him to call you with are all on the board, so I'd lean towards V having more straights.

As for the turn, it feels like V's range is almost uncapped here. He can definitely have 2pairs like A10/A9 based on reads, but he also has a few flushes and straights in his hand as well. His hesitation could have been either a straight fearing the flush, or a flush trying not to flip his cards over. I could see leading out here, but honest question, lets say you bet 80-90 ott based on your sizing before. Villain pops it to 225+. What's your play here?
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09-19-2017 , 10:07 AM
I think it's fine, but I probably would have bet the river small myself. Would be terrible if it checked through and might get him to raise.

River raise is a bit large, but he might read it as a bluff or might sigh/call with a K, flush, etc.
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09-19-2017 , 10:24 AM
Turn is pretty much the opposite of W/A W/B. Like you said, a 4th club could come, or we could fill up to the 2md nuts. I think I like a bet ott, since villain can have a lot of pair + gut shot + flush draw kinda hands with the Qc or Jc. Also, even tho villain is loose preflop, there aren't many flushes he can have at this point. I might even bet again otr on a blank, but it would be pretty dirty to get raised , so a check-decide would be fine too imo.
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09-19-2017 , 10:31 AM
I like a check more OTF than OTT. Betting is ok, but we need a very good runout on this texture to play a semi-big pot with confidence.

flop: betting is ok. Sizing is good.

turn: this has to be a bet. He has a Royal Flush or we should be ahead. If he is a reg, he won`t flat any lower SCs pre and flatting a flopped straight on this board is unlikely. Bet: 90

River: I don`t like it as played. Just bet 2/3 Pot yourself.
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09-19-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by proBono
turn: this has to be a bet. He has a Royal Flush or we should be ahead. If he is a reg, he won`t flat any lower SCs pre and flatting a flopped straight on this board is unlikely. Bet: 90
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As for the turn, it feels like V's range is almost uncapped here. He can definitely have 2pairs like A10/A9 based on reads, but he also has a few flushes and straights in his hand as well. His hesitation could have been either a straight fearing the flush, or a flush trying not to flip his cards over. I could see leading out here, but honest question, lets say you bet 80-90 ott based on your sizing before. Villain pops it to 225+. What's your play here?
I think on turn it is very very likely I am ahead. That said what hands can villain call a turn barrell with that doesn't have me beat? Maybe A10?

Plus if I lead I think I have to fold to a reasonably sized turn raise which would suck given some equity of making a super nutted hand on the river.

Seemed like if I check turn, I allow villain to bluff much much wider as it looks likes I am giving up on a cbet. So if villain has the goods, I am lowering my price to stay in the hand and realize my FH equity, while also allowing villain a chance to try to steal the hand. The only thing a turn bet accomplishes is *maybe* getting villain to fold the Qc or Jc which he may not fold anyway while I fold out all the hands I have dominated. No?

Also interesting if turn had gone C/C what the right play would have been on a blank river. I think a blank river would have been Bet/Fold to a Raise?

Last edited by randomcards; 09-19-2017 at 12:42 PM.
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09-19-2017 , 01:34 PM
Rec players will see the check on turn as you not liking the turn. Really leaning to him having KxQc or KxJc with the wonder check. I suppose V could also have AQ or AJ with the smallish river bet. I think it's ok as played though you could argue betting the turn with so few flushes in his range. Doubt es checking 2pair+ after you check.
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09-19-2017 , 01:52 PM
Bet thrice.
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09-19-2017 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by randomcards
I think on turn it is very very likely I am ahead. That said what hands can villain call a turn barrell with that doesn't have me beat? Maybe A10?

Plus if I lead I think I have to fold to a reasonably sized turn raise which would suck given some equity of making a super nutted hand on the river.

Seemed like if I check turn, I allow villain to bluff much much wider as it looks likes I am giving up on a cbet. So if villain has the goods, I am lowering my price to stay in the hand and realize my FH equity, while also allowing villain a chance to try to steal the hand. The only thing a turn bet accomplishes is *maybe* getting villain to fold the Qc or Jc which he may not fold anyway while I fold out all the hands I have dominated. No?

Also interesting if turn had gone C/C what the right play would have been on a blank river. I think a blank river would have been Bet/Fold to a Raise?
Based on how you described the villain, I agree. I am assume he has some lower suited connectors, he could have a weaker flush here, he can have some unsuited straights. You could definitely be way ahead of him here, but like you said, the hands he calls with aren't much, unless he is holding the Q, and I don't know what I do if he raises me here. I think you played it fine, and I am guessing he folds the river and you are trying to figure out if you could have milked him here a little more?
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09-19-2017 , 02:20 PM
V does not check back little flush after hero checks turn
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09-19-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerforjoker
V does not check back little flush after hero checks turn
Hero firing fearlessly after flush and straight comes in on a wet board makes V fold anything that isn't a flush.
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