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07-09-2021 , 11:03 AM
Hero is effective stack. $570.

No real history with Villain. Regular in the area and well known tournament and cash game pro. Hasn’t gotten out of line this session, but is losing.

Hero also hasn’t gotten out of line, however, just lost a medium sized pot 3 hands ago so may appear to be tilting. Just moved to this table about 30 mins ago. Hasn’t played many hands, and hasn’t 3-bet at all.

Straddle 10. Folds to Villain on BTN. Raises to $30. Hero in SB with J9 makes it $90. Folds back to Villain who calls.

POT: $197
Flop: A8K

Hero bets $75. Villain calls.

POT: $347
Turn: A8K10

Hero jams $405. Villain snap calls.

Been on a bit of a downswing and not sure if this is well played or spew. Consideration at the time was maximizing fold equity against weaker aces. Thoughts on sizing? Seems a bit awkward.
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07-09-2021 , 11:25 AM
pre is ok once in a while, but regular 3b this wide against a villain with "no real history" is not great.

3b larger imo to 110-130.

flop is fine. Turn is tough because after he calls a bet on this flop that crushes your range, hard to imagine much FE on a turn rip. But it's still prob your best option.
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07-09-2021 , 11:36 AM
Go at least $135 if you're gonna 3 bet pre. In theory I think 3 betting is fine, but in practice I'd shave the bottom portion of the theoretical 3 betting range because very few villains are opening as wide as they should be.

Post flop plays itself.
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07-09-2021 , 12:33 PM
Far too shallow to be 3-betting this light. 57bbs eff with straddle there’s no room for light 3-bets imo. Especially OOP. Fold pre.
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07-09-2021 , 01:17 PM
3bet pre is fine, as long as you make sure you have an ok 3bet frequency
if you 3bet every suited gapper and then suited connectors and then suited aces you're gonna be way out of line

agree with previous posts
3bet 4x OOP so 120
3x IP


flop and turn look good
well played

next time don't include the snap call in the HH
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07-09-2021 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Andeeee
Hero is effective stack. $570.

No real history with Villain. Regular in the area and well known tournament and cash game pro. Hasn’t gotten out of line this session, but is losing.

Hero also hasn’t gotten out of line, however, just lost a medium sized pot 3 hands ago so may appear to be tilting. Just moved to this table about 30 mins ago. Hasn’t played many hands, and hasn’t 3-bet at all.

Straddle 10. Folds to Villain on BTN. Raises to $30. Hero in SB with J9 makes it $90. Folds back to Villain who calls.

POT: $197
Flop: A8K

Hero bets $75. Villain calls.

POT: $347
Turn: A8K10

Hero jams $405. Villain snap calls.

Been on a bit of a downswing and not sure if this is well played or spew. Consideration at the time was maximizing fold equity against weaker aces. Thoughts on sizing? Seems a bit awkward.
grunch: 3.5-4.5x pre, you went too small. J9s can be 3bet sometimes, but you can't do it 100% of the time, and honestly it probably should not be 3bet ever, especially with the shorter stack sizes and high rake of live play.
Flop I would consider check/calling a decent part of my range, and when I bet I would bet more like $115. As played seems... fine, it's not wonderful, I don't expect villain to fold many hands, certainly not folding out any ace pairs, and I think a bet of $200-$250 has more fold equity then the full jam, but it's kinda shrug whatever.
Don't include results
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07-09-2021 , 02:25 PM
FWIW, the GTO 3bet range from the SB vs a 3bb BTN open with 100bb is something like AA, A5s, A6s, A7s, A8s:0.8, A9s:0.8, ATs, ATo, AJs, AJo, AQs, AQo, AKs, AKo, K5s:0.2, K6s:0.4, 88:0.05, 99, TT, QTs, KTs, KTo:0.2, JJ, QJs, QJo:0.4, KJs, KJo, QQ, KQs, KQo, KK
Here, we have an extra blind (we need to play tighter) and a shorter stack (SC go down in value), so I'm guessing it's extra not great, and we prefer to 3bet extra KTo combos, though I haven't run this
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07-09-2021 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ralphykid67
Far too shallow to be 3-betting this light. 57bbs eff with straddle there’s no room for light 3-bets imo. Especially OOP. Fold pre.
Spot on^

You're allowed to call pre btw esp if BB isn't much. SB isn't 3b/fold vs btn open in lfr.

AP though, line is perfect imo.
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07-09-2021 , 04:42 PM
30 minutes of history is virtually meaningless...half the players are busy eating and swiping left to even notice you. The other half rarely pay attention to any of the players. This is low stakes NL poker.

No problem with the betting post flop.

It's the preflop three bet that got you in this pickle.
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07-09-2021 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BHDonkey
30 minutes of history is virtually meaningless...half the players are busy eating and swiping left to even notice you. The other half rarely pay attention to any of the players. This is low stakes NL poker.

No problem with the betting post flop.

It's the preflop three bet that got you in this pickle.
Fairly accurate. Nonetheless, this is a “home game”. There’s 3 full tables with people waiting. The game is typically regulars with lots of fish and whales sprinkled in. There’s at least SOME merit for 3-betting light against this particular Villain, as I’ll see them again.

In retrospect, the straddle as Amanaplan and Ranma pointed out probably makes this a fold pre. BB wouldn’t always 3-bet after a SB flat, but was capable.
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