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This is why I folded, but I couldn't really find many calls either on 432ss that get to this spot this way. QQ at some frequency, JJ...TT... but I'm not deep enough to have many more hands to call.

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01-02-2018 , 04:01 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by timmay28

Top top pro 3b’s oop vs true whale =

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Could you elaborate?

Thoughts post results?

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01-02-2018 , 04:05 PM

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johnnyBuz

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It’s possible 66/55 are our only one-pair calls. If we are 3! 77+ (gotta draw the line somewhere) then we have mostly sets, pair + OESD and pair + gutters in our continuing range here. 77 is kind of in no man’s land and why it plays better as a 3! IMO.

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01-02-2018 , 04:12 PM

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Dizzyqtp

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Originally Posted by Avaritia

Holy sh*t you posted a hand.

3b pre. As played fold to 3b obv. As as played fold flop obv.

see - you don't even need my coaching.

now teach me what hands to iso with in plo.

edit: and by iso i mean bloat the pot and get 5+ calls

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01-02-2018 , 04:38 PM

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Avaritia

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Lol, I limp near 100% unless we are all super deep or unless i have double suited run down or something. At first I thought i was just learning/avoiding variance but Im near convinced this is optimal live.

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01-02-2018 , 07:00 PM

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feel wrath

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hmm, preflop is v interesting to me because I would be flatting 100% of the time with 77 and then most likely folding to the 3 bet and I know my biggest leak is a lack of aggression pre and post.

if we're 3 betting 77 here what is our overall 3 betting range, what is our calling range and then what is our continuing range when the top pro 3 bets?

particularly interested if we're polarised and flatting bigger pairs or if we just open up our 3 bet range massively because of the whale

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01-02-2018 , 07:10 PM

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Chicagodude

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I think you're toast here. Easy fold on flop for me.

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01-03-2018 , 07:00 PM

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Shai Hulud

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Originally Posted by Avaritia

Yes the reason you 3bet pre is to prevent this from happening. It’s not close when villain is a whale and/or when the open is from hj and/or reg is still left to act.

I used to think I was indifferent to cold calling middle range hands bc ev is close when we flat ip but when you consider all of the lost ev from having to fold to squeezes then it makes us want to 3b a lot lot more.

Sevens aren’t jacks. Don’t think like that. For one reason he can prolly have 99+ here so that’s 18 extra combos that crush you but much more important is when you think of defending frequencies you logically want to call from the top of your range down. So you call AKss and you fold QJdd. Well somewhere in the bottom middle of your defend range is 77. Then there’s 88. Then there’s 99. Then there’s TT. Then there’s JJ. Etc. They are not the same, bc if you call 77 then you call everything and you are defending too much. A great way to get out of the trap of calling too much is by calling top/upper middle of range in close spots. So you can fold here knowing you have TT-QQ and a few Axss that you are felting. (I know this isn’t your range bc you flatted pfr but I’m just using example)

If they aren’t overbluffing (they aren’t, ever) we should be overfolding. 77 is calling too much. JJ is not.

Interesting thread. My understanding of defending ranges is we generally prefer to 3-bet with the top and bottom of our continuing range (hands like AK / KK / A5s / AT / 33 / T9s) and flat with hands like AJs / 99 / JTs / 77). Depending on dynamics it may be appropriate to extend hands like 77 into the 3bet range but generally don't we want 3bets to be fairly polarized here?

I can see flatting AKs sometimes for deception but as a rule seems like a 3 bet.

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01-03-2018 , 07:36 PM

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proBono

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Originally Posted by Lapidator

Also, change seats ASAP. Why on Earth would you want to have a whale on your right and a top pro on your left?

Are you kidding? Who cares about the pro? Having the benefit to play the whale IP 9 out of 10 hands is most likely the best seat at the table.

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01-03-2018 , 07:55 PM

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Playbig2000

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fold to the 3bet the flop is even an easier fold

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