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06-24-2014 , 02:42 PM
There was some discussion about how this hand was played. Apparently, no one I discussed this with afterwards agreed with me so I’m curious if I was completely in the wrong on this one.

The Hero has been at the table for about 3-4 hours at the time of the hand. The table was very passive. A lot of limp, some limp-call (but even more limp-fold), and very little PF raising. This type of table was very rare for the venue that I play at and everyone at the table noticed the odd play.

Hero is 44, perceived at the table as TAG. Most of my raises PF were not called. I had been raising and 3-betting more frequently but still was not getting many calls. Stack was about $760.

Villian actually had a few skills. Pretty tight, but would open up post-flop in order to gain an advantage at this passive table. He was having an interesting night. On two separate hands about 2-3 hours ago, he had been felted set-over-set on flop so he was down 2 buy-ins. About a half an hour before this hand, he had flopped quads over a full house and doubled-up but he was still down for the night (and made sure everyone at the table knew it). He was sitting with about $1,250.

Villian is in the CO. Hero is on the button. An early position player (UTG+2, if I recall correctly) limps for $5. Villian raises to $25. Hero looks down at KsQs and calls. Blinds fold. Limper calls.

Pot is $82. Flop is J T 4. Early position checks. Villian bets $55. Hero calls. Limper folds.

Pot is $192. Turn is 6. Villian checks. Hero checks behind.

Pot is still $192. River is J. Villian bets out $110. Hero?

Comments on flop, turn and potential river play ($680 effective stack remaining)?
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06-24-2014 , 03:02 PM
Bet the turn for sure.

River raise is okay. He could be stabbing here but would he cbet this flop with air? Flushes are definitely in his range.
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06-24-2014 , 03:20 PM
I dont like both calls, pf and flop

I would 3bet pf to 75 (depending on further reads/description on him) we have a great multi way hand but we're currently heads up atm. I would much rather take the initiative route when given the opportunity.

Flop, as played, if we flat him, we don't really have odds to draw for a str8. I would have raised his cbet since we should have some fold equity. If we flat and he barrels the turn and we don't hit our hand (which happens most of the time) we're in a pretty bad spot.

as played, what are you asking on the river, to bluff steal it away? I think it's too late in the hand to think about bluffing, since it would probably take a 4x raise to get him to fold a jack or a baby flush. We had a great opportunity to semi bluff on the flop when we had all of our equity.

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Last edited by Playbig2000; 06-24-2014 at 03:28 PM.
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06-24-2014 , 03:48 PM
Seems like a pretty standard hand. Fold river
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06-24-2014 , 04:05 PM
Villain's line is strongly indicating a flush...after you checked the river behind on the turn, don't think there's a good chance you're stealing this river...your checking pretty much takes out any boat possibilities for you that would make your raise all-in on river believable. Just fold....

On a side note, you've indicated V has been showing up with strong hands every time he's gone the distance to the river....what would make you think he's weak here??
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06-24-2014 , 04:07 PM
As played, this is an EASY fold... PB2000 nailed it 100% with explanation.
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06-24-2014 , 04:17 PM
Yeah you can't really rep Jx or better by checking the turn.

Definitely prefer raising the flop as you take the initiative and have the option of a free river.
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06-24-2014 , 05:04 PM
Everything seems standard here. As played fold river. Although a small turn bet of $75-$100 to fold out his air is better IMO.
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06-24-2014 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I would have raised his cbet since we should have some fold equity.
I can't imagine ever not doing this.
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06-24-2014 , 06:24 PM
Sometimes i'm raising flop, sometimes I'm betting turn and shutting down, sometimes i'm betting turn and river.

Sometimes i'm playing it exactly like you did. It's ok to give up.

This is coming from someone who fights tooth and nail for every pot I enter.

I'm totally fine with the way this hand played out, fold river.

If you included some more HH with the villain about how he takes bet/check/bet lines to pot control with medium strength hands, then we can talk about raising the river. Does he have hero calling tendencies? Does your image look like you can bluff raise? Does he play the strength of his own hand or can he read the board texture? Raising river may not be bad, but the stars have to align.

Last edited by SunChips; 06-24-2014 at 06:32 PM.
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