2/5 LA interesting spot w/ second nuts
09-08-2014
, 11:17 PM
What's up 2+2?!?! Long time lurker needing some input on this hand. I look forward to improving my game and hopefully realizing i have crusher potential.
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V1- sb(570) Mid 20's asian girl. Pretty, expensive clothes, on table less than one orbit. One hand history: Hero in hj raise $20 pf w/ A
T, V calls in sb. Flop K
K2. V leads $30 into Hero, Hero raises to $85, V rr to $200, hero folds V shows QQ
V2- bb(~800) 60's asian male. Nitty and usually very passive
Hero- mp1 (~600) late 20's white male w/ semi LAG image. I have 3bet 5 times pf in the last two orbits. 4 times i had it and got no action. Decide to mix it up with this overall passive table.
Anyways here it is:
Hero is dealt Q
6 in mp1
utg call 5, utg1 call 5, hero call 5, button call 5, v1(sb) complete, v2(bb) check
Pot ($30) Flop: A92
v1 check, v2 check, utg check, utg1 check, hero check, button bet 15, v1 ch/r to 40, v2 calls, fold to hero.
At this point i am on cloud nine. I think i definitely need to raise here to bloat the pot and potentially play for stacks. The pot wasn't raised pf but only 7 combos of Kx has me beat. Right now the only thing i am thinking is half pot most turns and shove clean rivers. Hero re-raises to 115 hoping to iso 1 V. btn fold, v1 call, v2 tanks and calls.
At this point i put V2 on two pair or a set of 2's. He would raise pre with big pairs, big A, and mid pp's to iso a limper and i dont see him calling a 3bet flop with hands like Ax, nfd, or 9x. He also wouldn't donk shove a hand like 2p or set so a call in this position with this strength is believable. V2 range is much wider. At this point I would put her on =V2's range + the hands i discounted for V2 considering our limited history and the limp pf pot. I can discount all wheel and baby fd's from both ranges because a call from them here would be ludicrous. Nuts are unlikely because of my blockers, but also possible for both V's because they are both in blinds in a limped pot. I expect to be checked to on turn and book em a trip to value town.
pot(390) turn card 10. V1 tank ships 450 
. What just happened? As V2 tanks, i realize that he cannot call with me left to act behind. He's folding even 3rd nuts. I begin to wonder why V1 would flat my 3bet on flop and open shove into two players on a clean turn. I thought the nuts were highly unlikely but given that V2's flop line was ch/c/c and Hero's was ch/3bet (both very strong), is it possible V1 is over bet shoving clean turns and expecting one of us to pay her off? If she is a thinking player(she knew enough to 3bet me in our hand history) she would want to deny odds for a set to boat up but disguise the nuts in a way that a smaller flush may call. If she is holding the nuts and is good she knows that 12 combos of sets might call unprofitably, and 15 Q or J flush combos are probably calling. Maybe more flush combos if she thinks one of us is capable of spew calling.
V2 folds. Hero?
2/5 LA casino $300 max buy in game
V1- sb(570) Mid 20's asian girl. Pretty, expensive clothes, on table less than one orbit. One hand history: Hero in hj raise $20 pf w/ A
T, V calls in sb. Flop KK2. V leads $30 into Hero, Hero raises to $85, V rr to $200, hero folds V shows QQV2- bb(~800) 60's asian male. Nitty and usually very passive
Hero- mp1 (~600) late 20's white male w/ semi LAG image. I have 3bet 5 times pf in the last two orbits. 4 times i had it and got no action. Decide to mix it up with this overall passive table.
Anyways here it is:
Hero is dealt Q
6 in mp1utg call 5, utg1 call 5, hero call 5, button call 5, v1(sb) complete, v2(bb) check
Pot ($30) Flop: A
92v1 check, v2 check, utg check, utg1 check, hero check, button bet 15, v1 ch/r to 40, v2 calls, fold to hero.
At this point i am on cloud nine. I think i definitely need to raise here to bloat the pot and potentially play for stacks. The pot wasn't raised pf but only 7 combos of K
x has me beat. Right now the only thing i am thinking is half pot most turns and shove clean rivers. Hero re-raises to 115 hoping to iso 1 V. btn fold, v1 call, v2 tanks and calls. At this point i put V2 on two pair or a set of 2's. He would raise pre with big pairs, big A, and mid pp's to iso a limper and i dont see him calling a 3bet flop with hands like Ax
, nfd, or 9x. He also wouldn't donk shove a hand like 2p or set so a call in this position with this strength is believable. V2 range is much wider. At this point I would put her on =V2's range + the hands i discounted for V2 considering our limited history and the limp pf pot. I can discount all wheel and baby fd's from both ranges because a call from them here would be ludicrous. Nuts are unlikely because of my blockers, but also possible for both V's because they are both in blinds in a limped pot. I expect to be checked to on turn and book em a trip to value town.pot(390) turn card 10
. V1 tank ships 450 . What just happened? As V2 tanks, i realize that he cannot call with me left to act behind. He's folding even 3rd nuts. I begin to wonder why V1 would flat my 3bet on flop and open shove into two players on a clean turn. I thought the nuts were highly unlikely but given that V2's flop line was ch/c/c and Hero's was ch/3bet (both very strong), is it possible V1 is over bet shoving clean turns and expecting one of us to pay her off? If she is a thinking player(she knew enough to 3bet me in our hand history) she would want to deny odds for a set to boat up but disguise the nuts in a way that a smaller flush may call. If she is holding the nuts and is good she knows that 12 combos of sets might call unprofitably, and 15 Q or J flush combos are probably calling. Maybe more flush combos if she thinks one of us is capable of spew calling.V2 folds. Hero?
09-09-2014
, 12:23 AM
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What's up 2+2?!?! Long time lurker needing some input on this hand. I look forward to improving my game and hopefully realizing i have crusher potential.
2/5 LA casino $300 max buy in game
V1- sb(570) Mid 20's asian girl. Pretty, expensive clothes, on table less than one orbit. One hand history: Hero in hj raise $20 pf w/ AT, V calls in sb. Flop KK2. V leads $30 into Hero, Hero raises to $85, V rr to $200, hero folds V shows QQ
V2- bb(~800) 60's asian male. Nitty and usually very passive
Hero- mp1 (~600) late 20's white male w/ semi LAG image. I have 3bet 5 times pf in the last two orbits. 4 times i had it and got no action. Decide to mix it up with this overall passive table.
Anyways here it is:
Hero is dealt Q6 in mp1
utg call 5, utg1 call 5, hero call 5, button call 5, v1(sb) complete, v2(bb) check
Pot ($30) Flop: A92
v1 check, v2 check, utg check, utg1 check, hero check, button bet 15, v1 ch/r to 40, v2 calls, fold to hero.
At this point i am on cloud nine. I think i definitely need to raise here to bloat the pot and potentially play for stacks. The pot wasn't raised pf but only 7 combos of Kx has me beat. Right now the only thing i am thinking is half pot most turns and shove clean rivers. Hero re-raises to 115 hoping to iso 1 V. btn fold, v1 call, v2 tanks and calls.
At this point i put V2 on two pair or a set of 2's. He would raise pre with big pairs, big A, and mid pp's to iso a limper and i dont see him calling a 3bet flop with hands like Ax, nfd, or 9x. He also wouldn't donk shove a hand like 2p or set so a call in this position with this strength is believable. V2 range is much wider. At this point I would put her on =V2's range + the hands i discounted for V2 considering our limited history and the limp pf pot. I can discount all wheel and baby fd's from both ranges because a call from them here would be ludicrous. Nuts are unlikely because of my blockers, but also possible for both V's because they are both in blinds in a limped pot. I expect to be checked to on turn and book em a trip to value town.
pot(390) turn card 10. V1 tank ships 450 . What just happened? As V2 tanks, i realize that he cannot call with me left to act behind. He's folding even 3rd nuts. I begin to wonder why V1 would flat my 3bet on flop and open shove into two players on a clean turn. I thought the nuts were highly unlikely but given that V2's flop line was ch/c/c and Hero's was ch/3bet (both very strong), is it possible V1 is over bet shoving clean turns and expecting one of us to pay her off? If she is a thinking player(she knew enough to 3bet me in our hand history) she would want to deny odds for a set to boat up but disguise the nuts in a way that a smaller flush may call. If she is holding the nuts and is good she knows that 12 combos of sets might call unprofitably, and 15 Q or J flush combos are probably calling. Maybe more flush combos if she thinks one of us is capable of spew calling.
V2 folds. Hero?
2/5 LA casino $300 max buy in game
V1- sb(570) Mid 20's asian girl. Pretty, expensive clothes, on table less than one orbit. One hand history: Hero in hj raise $20 pf w/ A
T, V calls in sb. Flop KK2. V leads $30 into Hero, Hero raises to $85, V rr to $200, hero folds V shows QQV2- bb(~800) 60's asian male. Nitty and usually very passive
Hero- mp1 (~600) late 20's white male w/ semi LAG image. I have 3bet 5 times pf in the last two orbits. 4 times i had it and got no action. Decide to mix it up with this overall passive table.
Anyways here it is:
Hero is dealt Q
6 in mp1utg call 5, utg1 call 5, hero call 5, button call 5, v1(sb) complete, v2(bb) check
Pot ($30) Flop: A
92v1 check, v2 check, utg check, utg1 check, hero check, button bet 15, v1 ch/r to 40, v2 calls, fold to hero.
At this point i am on cloud nine. I think i definitely need to raise here to bloat the pot and potentially play for stacks. The pot wasn't raised pf but only 7 combos of K
x has me beat. Right now the only thing i am thinking is half pot most turns and shove clean rivers. Hero re-raises to 115 hoping to iso 1 V. btn fold, v1 call, v2 tanks and calls. At this point i put V2 on two pair or a set of 2's. He would raise pre with big pairs, big A, and mid pp's to iso a limper and i dont see him calling a 3bet flop with hands like Ax
, nfd, or 9x. He also wouldn't donk shove a hand like 2p or set so a call in this position with this strength is believable. V2 range is much wider. At this point I would put her on =V2's range + the hands i discounted for V2 considering our limited history and the limp pf pot. I can discount all wheel and baby fd's from both ranges because a call from them here would be ludicrous. Nuts are unlikely because of my blockers, but also possible for both V's because they are both in blinds in a limped pot. I expect to be checked to on turn and book em a trip to value town.pot(390) turn card 10
. V1 tank ships 450 . What just happened? As V2 tanks, i realize that he cannot call with me left to act behind. He's folding even 3rd nuts. I begin to wonder why V1 would flat my 3bet on flop and open shove into two players on a clean turn. I thought the nuts were highly unlikely but given that V2's flop line was ch/c/c and Hero's was ch/3bet (both very strong), is it possible V1 is over bet shoving clean turns and expecting one of us to pay her off? If she is a thinking player(she knew enough to 3bet me in our hand history) she would want to deny odds for a set to boat up but disguise the nuts in a way that a smaller flush may call. If she is holding the nuts and is good she knows that 12 combos of sets might call unprofitably, and 15 Q or J flush combos are probably calling. Maybe more flush combos if she thinks one of us is capable of spew calling.V2 folds. Hero?
I don't like the hand example you have with V1. Why raise if your intention is to fold to a re-raise? I would flat, especially with position. What are you really betting out of the flop at that point? Smaller pairs are most likely folding to a re-raise and a Kx/TT+ are going to play back.
The actual hand.
I would never flat in any position and I wouldn't complete my SB with Q6o/s. It's a terrible hand that doesn't play well in any circumstance except when playing with WAY less players. The only thing you're really looking to flop with Q6o/s is QQ6, 66Q or a flush. Which you have.
You're not folding this because a player might have a Kdxd. Call. All day