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08-04-2016 , 10:16 PM
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Posting this hand for a friend.

UTG limps, Hero raises UTG+1 to $25 with KsQh; CO, BTN, BB, and limper call.

Flop($120): KT9

BB and UTG check, Hero?
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08-04-2016 , 10:18 PM
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Bet


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08-04-2016 , 10:31 PM
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Need reads and stack sizes.
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08-05-2016 , 10:19 PM
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Let's start with a $75 bet, but yes you can fold this hand to any crazy action. This is a super wet flop and we shouldn't stack off 100+bbs deep if we don't improve. If we're short stacked we can just shove here.

I might just bet/fold this to any raise by hands in position, and consider calling vs folding if BB or UTG raise, depending on feel and player reads. I hate calling a raise on this flop oop just bc I'm playing for stacks for sure given bloated pot. Need flop action to determine a plan for rest of hand.
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08-06-2016 , 12:19 AM
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Obviously not enough info provided. But 5 way with a flop that smashes calling hand ranges we need to be super careful. Even to the extent of checking this and waiting for a safe turn to emerge.
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08-06-2016 , 01:49 AM
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08-06-2016 , 01:46 PM
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I'd c-bet if pot was 3-way. Against this many players, I'd check. There's a decent chance someone has a flush draw or has us outflopped. Betting accomplishes almost nothing against a flush draw since they wouldn't fold anyway and they could make a +EV semibluff raise.

If someone then bets, either call, raise, or fold depending many factors.
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08-06-2016 , 03:06 PM
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I dont really mind a Fold preflop but then again I dont know anything about the stacks or reads/villains.
As played would be betting anywhere from 70-110 and would expect a a caller or 2 depending on table.
I guess you could check but that just seems a little weak and could give the free card off
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08-06-2016 , 04:21 PM
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I probably bet like 85 here maybe even 100... a King is never folding, FD are never folding, hands like a pair and a straight draw are never folding. This is the street to get the most value with this particular hand imo... probably not going to be a 3 street of value hand so I go for max on the flop, re evaluate on turn cards and obviously fold to aggression otf.
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08-06-2016 , 04:24 PM
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Quote:
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Betting accomplishes almost nothing against a flush draw since they wouldn't fold anyway and they could make a +EV semibluff raise.
stop trolling???
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08-06-2016 , 04:34 PM
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08-06-2016 , 04:50 PM
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Quote:
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stop trolling???
In pokerstove, I put in a range of top ~23% of all hands excluding AA-JJ and AK for each of the 4 opponents, our hand, and the flop.

It's still calculating but we have only ~35-39% equity.
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08-06-2016 , 05:20 PM
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In pokerstove, I put in a range of top ~23% of all hands excluding AA-JJ and AK for each of the 4 opponents, our hand, and the flop.

It's still calculating but we have only ~35-39% equity.
I don't care what you stoved. I want to know more about why we wouldn't bet a made hand because a flush draw is always going to call?
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08-06-2016 , 05:54 PM
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Bet about half the pot, assuming ~100BB stacks against complete unknowns. Get value from draws.
Last edited by Nice_Guy_Eddie; 08-06-2016 at 06:01 PM.
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08-06-2016 , 05:57 PM
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Is this thread gonna hit 50 posts with no stack sizes or reads?
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