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2/5 KK, tell me how bad I botched this 2/5 KK, tell me how bad I botched this

04-09-2017 , 08:32 PM
I'm new to 2/5 after spending 5+ years at 1/2. Local card room in FL, which typically has a lot of older guys playing like the stereotypical old guy. Max BI is $500. Thanks for reading.

UTG ($300) opens for $20.

Hero ($350) has KK in UTG+2.

There are two very active players behind me (one with $1000 and he's been targeting me all night) and a tight $1500 stack in the SB. I decide to be deceptive and just call. How much do you hate this?

It ends up folding around to the SB, the guy with the $1500 stack. He's become very tight over the last 2 hours but when he enters a pot it's almost always for a raise. This pot is no different -- he makes it $55.

My plan: If UTG calls or shoves, I shove. If UTG folds, I re-evaluate. Good plan?

UTG said he was "just kidding" and folds. Again choosing to be deceptive, and knowing my only opponent in the hand is tight, 4-betting and has 3x my stack, I call. How much do you hate this?

Flop is 4A5.

SB checks it here. I decide to check back, basically not believing that he doesn't have an A. How much do you hate this?

Turn is a 9.

SB checks again. I feel like if he's scared of the A then I have him beat whether I bet or not. Or, he has an A and is trying to induce a bet. I check the turn. Are you ready to stab my eyeballs out?

River 8 makes a flush.

SB leads out for $110. My initial gut feeling was to call. I even had the chips in my hand. Then I slowed myself down (been working on that) and thought about it all again. Maybe I was dead in the water.

Fold, call or raise?
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04-09-2017 , 09:15 PM
You don't have a plan for this hand beside underreping your hand. You don't really range your opponents. You just seem to play very weak passive. It's also a problem you're posting 6+ hands in a day imo

Last edited by aoFrantic; 04-09-2017 at 09:20 PM.
2/5 KK, tell me how bad I botched this Quote
04-09-2017 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dozer

UTG ($300) opens for $20.

Hero ($350) has KK in UTG+2.

There are two very active players behind me (one with $1000 and he's been targeting me all night) and a tight $1500 stack in the SB. I decide to be deceptive and just call.

I dont hate it as much as others will haha but when Im making moves like this there has to certain things met i guess. Also I have in my mind a reminder not to get married to an overpair. Slowplaying requires very good reads and it seems like you don't have that with these guys. Overall I think this is slightly bad but not that bad.

It ends up folding around to the SB, the guy with the $1500 stack. He's become very tight over the last 2 hours but when he enters a pot it's almost always for a raise. This pot is no different -- he makes it $55.

My plan: If UTG calls or shoves, I shove. If UTG folds, I re-evaluate.

OK now UTG opened what seems like a std raise and got passively called now what is really min raise from SB into 4 people. Why would anyone do this with AA? There is no re-evulating now. We call, we get caught in nasty SPR spot with a hand we were cautious with to being with. IMO if we call here, it means we have a really good grasp post on these guys. Again something IDK if you got on them. You have to raise here IMO.

Flop is 4A5.

SB checks it here. I decide to check back, basically not believing that he doesn't have an A.

Standard

Turn is a 9.

SB checks again. I feel like if he's scared of the A then I have him beat whether I bet or not. Or, he has an A and is trying to induce a bet. I check the turn.

Id bet here, she's not gonna fold QQ or JJ here if we bet say 2/5 pot or something. She checks twice is pretty low for an A, maybe he has AA though and realizes your Ax hands are very limited now. I don't think she has that though

River 8 makes a flush.

SB leads out for $110. My initial gut feeling was to call. I even had the chips in my hand. Then I slowed myself down (been working on that) and thought about it all again. Maybe I was dead in the water.

AP I'm calling. If we are good here then we got lucky. Im willing to bet you know we could have gotten a lot more value if at anytime pre flop we raised. Overall its semi bad but not horrible.
BOLD responses.
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04-09-2017 , 10:29 PM
I'm only talking about pre because that's the most important street here IMO.

You're not deep enough to worry about deception. With a 70 BB stack you can play straightforward here. I would 3-bet the first time it gets to me.

Once V 3-bets you MUST 4-bet. Your hand is underrepped because you called a raise already. I'd probably shove and expect to get called a lot of the time. The line of call then shove over a 3-bet looks like a medium pocket pair.
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04-10-2017 , 03:44 AM
Call.
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04-10-2017 , 04:01 AM
3 card flush or 4 card flush? You have to say these things.

Preflop is very fine with these stacks and positions. Would prefer it over 3bettinh especially as it'd look very strong.

When it gets back to you I like a jam. The fact that he's tight actually means he's more likely to have a hand to call your jam putting you on 88 99 AQ 55 etc. I'd be happy to flat vs a looser player.

The fact that he had a very deep stack doesn't matter at all, why do you think it factors in?

Flop check is absolutely standard even if you think he has no A. You don't have to bet the best hand all the time.
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04-12-2017 , 09:42 AM
MK mentioned that in order for me to play this hand the way that I did, I needed really good reads. I had that.

As for AO, I definitely did have a plan and the plan was to underrep. Apologies if it's an unwritten 2p2 law to post multiple hands in a day.

Results:

Spoiler:
My knee-jerk reaction was to snap-call, but after about a minute of thought I just felt like the villain here was underrepping HIS hand. Of course this meant he either had AK or a set. I didn't think he would 3! pre with 44, 55 or 88. Maybe with 99, so that really left me thinking it was AA, AK, maybe AQ, maybe a bluff but I just didn't peg him as a bluffer. He seemed content with his large stack and was really playing tight. So, I folded my KK face-up. The villain proceeded to fold AA face-up. In retro, I really thought his river bet was fantastic -- not low enough to induce an obvious call, not expensive enough to chase me away. He basically bet the pot and it almost worked for him.
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04-13-2017 , 01:43 PM
Preflop I would have liked a cold 4 bet. You set a trap for the Villian, and now you just call? I guess this okay without history to be deceptive occasionally.

On the flop, I feel like Villian is trapping. Most players that 3 bet, whether they have the Ace or not will likely C-Bet. So that would set some alarms off in my head.

On the river, I think if Villian bet maybe half pot, I would have paid him off. But, Villian is betting pretty close to pot right? So I like Villians bet here, as his river bet is really polarizing. However, the way the hand was played PF, and on the flop seems kind of like a trap. I think I would probably pay him off with A/Q plus, but KK is an easy fold.
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04-13-2017 , 02:25 PM
you somehow lost the minimum, well played? no, i dont think so. as others have said 3! preflop dont call after you do call and it gets 3! just 4! all in.
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