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2/5 KK six ways - Please Settle This Debate; Do We C-Bet Flop? 2/5 KK six ways - Please Settle This Debate; Do We C-Bet Flop?

03-14-2020 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
sorry, but why are we going 14x pre?

You’re right, clearly we should’ve made it like 25-30x given the action we received here


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03-16-2020 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
I never limp raise pre, but maybe this time. Don’t get the 14x open. I’d rather 3x and hope to get raised
me neither but this seems like the time

check/eval now
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03-18-2020 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
I assume because we’re in a games where 14x goes 6 ways.
Nope, 3x is premium.
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03-18-2020 , 10:31 AM
I play this as a check a lot of the time. It's an extreme way-ahead way behind situation, and even if there's not a lot of value in giving our opponents an opportunity to stab at the pot with nothing, the opportunity for one of our 5 opponents to improve with undercards that pair on the turn and call us with 2 outs is extremely appealing. The only bad turn cards for us are an Ace or 3. We can still easily get our stack in if we want if it's checked to us on the turn. Villains behind with JJ-44 are likely to bet it for us anyways.

The alternative would be to bet it quite small, probably just a bit more than our preflop raise size.
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03-18-2020 , 07:20 PM
Thank you very much everyone for your respones!

Results: I x'd and thought it was super standard and it x around.

Turn ($425): 3. SB shoves, we fold, +1 calls, and BTN calls.

River: 3. SB rolls over T3o, +1 angrily mucks and Q5o is exposed, BTN annoyingly mucks and I can't imagine he didn't have a Q, but who knows?
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03-18-2020 , 09:11 PM
put a GPS tracker on SB and +1
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03-19-2020 , 12:09 AM
I rarely do this, but this seems like a fine game to develop a balanced l/rr strategy, specifically from utg and +1 . Especially being relatively shallow.

I’d l/rr with a polarized range, 75% value seems good. So like 99-AA is 36 combos so you can throw in all the offsuit combos of K9 (12) to balance your strat. picking K9o since it’s not strong enough to call a large raise and near the top of our folding range. Plus we won’t be dominated vs Ax.

l/call everything stronger linearly and with some playability depending on the raise size.

I play in games where this is often the norm. Yes, they have the potential to be goldmines but you can also experience your biggest losing nights (speaking from experience). These games require complex strategies as well, just different ones.
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03-19-2020 , 12:17 AM
Not seeing why we should l/rr when we can open 14x and get 5 callers.
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03-19-2020 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Not seeing why we should l/rr when we can open 14x and get 5 callers.
Some people aren't comfortable in a configuration where they're going 6 ways to a flop mostly OOP to the field, even with the strongest range.

Yes, these are likely losing/marginally winning players but that's 9/10 people. Their mistakes in configurations they feel hopeless in result in more bleeding than less theoretically sound approaches that rely on competent post flop ability.

I don't do this myself, as I said, and I'm not necessarily saying sixsevenoff should.

But it's a viable strategy that is certainly +EV with certain game flows.
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03-19-2020 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Some people aren't comfortable in a configuration where they're going 6 ways to a flop mostly OOP to the field, even with the strongest range.

Yes, these are likely losing/marginally winning players but that's 9/10 people. Their mistakes in configurations they feel hopeless in result in more bleeding than less theoretically sound approaches that rely on competent post flop ability.

I don't do this myself, as I said, and I'm not necessarily saying sixsevenoff should.

But it's a viable strategy that is certainly +EV with certain game flows.
I bet even GG would be happy with this result.
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03-19-2020 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
I bet even GG would be happy with this result.
He’s not a losing/marginally winning player.
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