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Originally Posted by Cyal8rloser
Hero(UTG): Young kid dressed like a tourist. Normally plays extremely tight but has a tilted image after losing four big showdowns in a row and being bluffed out of two large pots with no pair/draw. Have been limp/calling pre then folding many flops so probably perceived as a fish. Stacked V earlier for $250~ eff when he limp/called pre with AT then check/raised on a dry T hi board vs my AA.
V(UTG+1): 20 something black guy. Always buys in for $200-$300, on 3rd buyin which he ran up. Have never seen him 3B pre in 4hrs of playing with him.
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with KK
Hero(1050) raises to 25. V(950) snap raises to 50. Hero raises to 150. V raises to 450. Hero???
Based on the fact I'm posting this it's pretty obvious I ran into the only hand that beats me. Even if I was on my A game and not tilted/stuck huge from previous pots I don't see how I can get away from this when V is clearly a fish. Can I really just chalk this up as a cooler? I notice that the majority of these shortbuying fish who buyin for $200 and run it up to $1000-$2000+ become insanely tight once they reach that certain amount because they are so scared to lose it, making big uncharacteristic folds.
Unless villian is a super maniac, should I usually just be flatting a 3b pre with KK this deep?
The two bolded parts is telling me totally different stories. Youre describing villain as a fish and that you cannot fold to him. On the other hand you have observed that
he has not been 3 betting one single time in 4 hours of play. And now he suddenly not only 3 betting you, but he is coming in with the 5 bet also- wich is extremely rare even at 2/5. I mean, this is a monster 7 days a week- probably heavily weighted towards AA. What you see is what you get, its not like villain suddenly goes on aggression tilt with 99-QQ or AK after not executing a single 3 bet in 4 hours.
I feel this is leak that surprisingly many players do have: they dont put aggression into context, but are hiding behind labeling villain as "a fish i cannot fold to". A certain villain can absolutely be a fish who plays 80 percent of hands dealt and being a calling station postflop, but that doesent mean anything when he is showing you this kind of aggression preflop. Its a totally different ballgame. When a passive call happy fish who hasnt been 3 betting preflop in many hours of play suddenly becomes really aggressive, your alarmbells should go off big time.
I am not sure if i can manage to fold KK if i was facing this situation in game, but it should definetly be considered seriously because i think your up against AA a huge portion of the time in this spot against described villain.
Last edited by Gilmour; 05-08-2014 at 06:06 AM.