(2/5) KK in an awkward spot against LAG, 200BBs
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Eh, line looks fine until the river, you guys have to realize that these LAGs know what they are doing but usually won't put all their money in the middle without a premier holding.
He limped OTB which is very weird and I'm guessing he backed into a stupid 2 pair on the flop like 106suited that boated up and its pretty easy to see your overpaid by flop and turn action.
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Can we really fold the river against a bluffy guy, getting good odds, and with one of the best cards in the deck? I never considered folding river at that point.
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Yeah it's a nice card because now we're beating some hands that were ahead on the flop and turn but since he's good he knows our most likely hand is an overpair and we're almost never folding that river. So all his bluffs shut down and his worse hands check back which means it's a fold. Of course if he thinks you would fold on this river some of the time because it's a bad card to bluff then we have to look him up sometimes to keep from being exploited but if V doesn't know we're capable of that then it's a fold. Turn could also very well be a fold but I think river is more of a fold than turn. Not folding flop.
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seems fine given reads, although it wouldnt shock me if he always had 1p beat otr. kinda an in game thing if you think he adjusted so that his turn/river barrel ranges here are all for value. i also think hes gonna barrel the river with almost all of his turn barrel range, so this is a spot where if i called the turn i would very likely call the river.
it would be easier to give a helpful answer if we knew more about what your actual range looked like for pre, and what V is likely to perceive it to be. this is a flop that doesnt hit a tight SB 7x range very well, so it would be good to know how many strong hands you can have/that he thinks you can have.
lastly, i wouldnt hate c/c all 3 streets (on most runouts/actions) with AA/KK since hes probably gonna monkey barrel off pretty frequently when you check, and it would be good to protect your checking range. the fact that he likes to bluff raise makes this option less appealing though.
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Grunch. Ag a bad lag, this is a call. Based on prev HH V is in bad lag mode. Also 6 is a good card in gen as it counterfeits some 2 pairs. Difficult to construct a bad lag button limping range. But should have a lot of garbage.
The hands I am mostly worried about are T6 and J6. Given ur range of high cards and over pairs, he might raise flop as bluff and then spewed once u called that. So I call and tilt if I lose.