$2/5 NL (10 handed)

Hero ($1000)
MP ($500)
LP ($900)
CO ($1000)
Button ($225)

Notes about players:

Hero has been at the table for about 2 hours and has shown winners of KK, AQs, AQs, AQo and not much else. Probably viewed as tight and normally has a good hand.
MP 30s Asian guy, is loose preflop and is not very good. Playing way too many hands.
LP is a 50 y/o Asian woman who seems fine.
CO is down about $1500 so far in the 2 hours I've been playing and seems pretty bad. He is about 40 y/o, white, disheveled and doesn't seem to care much about the money he is losing. He's not loose but not tight. He is rarely the aggressor but when he is I've only seen him bet about 1/2 pot.
Button is loose and not good.

Hero is dealt K K

Hero opens to 25, MP calls, LP calls, CO calls, button calls

Flop ($125) J 9 8

Hero is first to act
Hero?

I'm hesitant to bet here first to act. I hate hate hate opening with Kings and then not betting a non-ace flop but this board is really terrible for me. I feel like I want to check and gain some information from who/how much anyone bets.

Given most of the players involved are "not good", I think I grit my teeth and go ahead and betfold 75. The nit in me doesn't mind a check/evaluate either though

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I also think I just bet fold here about 75-85. No one on te field sounds overly aggressive. You can get called by lots of worse hands. If it goes to the turn 2 or 3 way then I fire again on blanks.

it would be criminal to check to this line up of players. b/f 90-100 and evaluate turn

I'm C-betting this hand in to Five players 100% of the time here. I just don't want to give anyone any free cards if it checks around. If I get raised here, I might fold or call depending on the player, but I'm definitely not thinking of stacking off against any other player than one I believe would raise with a flush or straight draw.

Okay so on the turn I bet out 100, folds to CO who calls, button shoves for 100 on top.

Action to me? I'm thinking about raising or just calling but it depends on what I am putting the CO on. He could have me crushed right now, or he could be on a flush draw or just have something like QJ/KJ/AJ or some kind of hand like 8T, 9T, JT, KT, AT, I suppose.

Main pot is 525 with the button's 200 in the mix already. If I were to shove then I'm raising about 775 on top of my initial 100 flop bet (and what the CO called already), but a raise would be to like 400-500 or so and then I'm basically committed no matter what he does. I can't see folding if I raise so my plays should probably be call the $100 extra or shove for $775 more.

I think cbetting 80$ here is optimal

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What was the turn btw? Cardwise..,

You can't give a free card and someone else licence to bluff as they put you on AK. Cbet/ fold this and watch how people call. If the turn is a blank, barrel again for value and to protect your equity. If the turn is a J,Q,T,7, it's probably a check/fold.

Raise bigger pf unless this was a fluke.

1oo% always c-betting..
At least 100$

I threw up a little bit when I read this.

Sooo it seems like it checked around and you bet 100 get called someone ships for 100 more..
Your action.
What the turn card?

Sorry, I totally ruined this by typoing. I meant that I bet $100 on the FLOP.

I hate these situations but given villain descriptions, folding is hard. You could easily be facing some combination of flush and straight draws. BTN is essentially shoving this flop with any part of board, so he could have a lot of hands we crush and isn't deep enough to get me to consider folding. Given how draw heavy this board is, if CO had you crushed, they should have raised. Even something like QT has to be worried about the flush draws, possible higher straight draws, sets/two pair hands. However, with a bad and passive player you just can't be sure here.

Considering the options, I think I shove here. CO's play looks a lot like a draw, and I want to either get his entire stack in or get him out. If he comes along, we can lose the main pot/win the side pot and still come out ahead. If he folds, it should reduce the number of outs we have to dodge a lot.

Hero already opened to 5x. There is no need to size his preflop open-raise larger than that.

Bet/fold seems like a decent plan. Check/evaluate is a decent plan too. And when I say check/evaluate, I mean CR over light action, check/call over slightly heavy action, and check/fold over very heavy action.

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And to go along with this, if you check, a lot of times from the eyes of these type of players they won't be bluffing. You are inducing these players to bet some Jack/rag hand thinking its the best of QJ and bet you off your hand. A lot of times fish don't know how to size so on this type of wet board it'll be hard to read what to make of a check, any of them betting then a few cold calls.

How is Hero going to get bet off the hand by J-rag? If someone behinds us bets, J-rag isn't going to raise over the top.

When Villain with Jx bets behind our check, we are either CRing or check-calling depending on Villain's sizing and tells.

I am not saying check/evaluate is better than bet/fold, but it is crazy to think that checking will cause us to get bluffed by J-rag. Instead, we will be more likely to stack J-rag by checking OOP.

Someone would have to extremely overplay Jx and pretty much spazz out for us to stack them by checking. not too mention the turn and river would pretty much have to brick out.

I suppose what I meant to say is that we are giving players with one pair hands a reason to take the initative away from us and bluff us off our hands on later streets.

Example: QJ gets checked to and then bets close to pot... Turn is a 6 we check again he bets again thinking he has the best hand etc. Situations like this can happen. Overall espically on a wet board I'm not giving up the initative because of the posibility of it getting checked through and the possibility of my opponents taking over the iniative and betting mutlipe streets with what they preceive is the best hand. Espically deep.

b/f 75. evaluate OTT. result?

So, I thought this was a tough spot. I'm basically not worried about the button at all in this hand, but the CO can show up with monsters that crush me or hands I'm a little ahead of. AJ, pair + straight draw, hearts and a pair...all have a lot of equity vs me but most of them can't call a shove for 775. Some hands like sets have me crushed, but I feel like those hands would have likely raised me earlier on the flop. Not every time, though. CO wasn't very good and I could definitely see him just calling with a set or a straight.

Anyways, in the end I shoved and the CO instantly calls me and says "I can't ever fold this."

Turn T, river 3 and my kings hold up. CO shows A T, Button says he had T K. CO had ~47% equity, I had ~37% and button had ~15% so I was in worse shape than I thought but he had one of the best hands against me. Most of the time he has QJ or AJ and is folding to my shove, I suppose.

You are lucky that CO didn't raise your c-bet with his monster draw. You might have folded the best hand if he had gone for the no-brainer semi-bluff raise with his monster draw.

I agree. If I get raised to 300+ there I don't think I can reasonably get it in. The fact that he calls me otf puts more hands that I beat in his range