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2/5: KK 3bet OTB, standard sizing questions 2/5: KK 3bet OTB, standard sizing questions

06-15-2013 , 12:00 PM
Hand occured about 4-5 hours into Hero's session. 2/5 game 400 min/uncapped. Full table, various stack sizes from 500-1500. about 5-6 players have left and have been replaced.

Villain 1(~1000): 40s white male. businessman like. Hero has played with him before. Relatively tag thinking player. Plays AA and KK extremely aggressive. doesnt bluff much or get out of line. has topped off stack a few times during this session because of "bad beats".

Villain 2(~800): 40s white male wearing camoflauge t-shirt. crew cut. seems "country" so to speak. playing pretty tight but calling a decent amount of pf raises. about an hour ago, he opened in ep with 10c8c and was checked to showdown. Hero took note. a few other hands where his opening and calling range was sorta wide.

Hero(covers): 20s Asian male. wearing blue shark optics. extreme tag. sometimes maybe too nitty. folding a lot of hands. dont know if table has noticed or not. however, has been aggressive when he has it. several unshown hands.

A limp or two.
V1 in HJ makes it 30.
V2 in CO flats.
Hero OTB tank 3bets to 125(sizing?) with KK.
Folds around to V1 who acts slightly disgusted and calls.
V2 calls rather quickly.

V1's range is leaned towards 1010-QQ and big Ax. V2 can literally have anything here. Ax, smaller PP's, or SCs. Also, Hero had yet to 3bet at anytime pre during the session, so I'm unsure if V's perceive it as polarization to premiums or a button squeeze.

Flop: AK4.

V1 checks quickly as does V2. Hero?
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06-15-2013 , 12:04 PM
This is a board texture that we should be bombing, especially given deep stacks. I would bet $300. Its not like anyone is folding Ax or a spade. Shove turn.
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06-15-2013 , 12:21 PM
Given the wetness of the board and the established range of V1 you definitely want to swing for the fences to get the money in by the turn or the river. If he has 10s-Qs and not an A that's a beat but oh well. And, like you said, who knows what V2 has but he is never folding spades or an A.

Bet: 275-325
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06-15-2013 , 01:17 PM
Geez. Just depends on the villians really on how much you really want to bet. It would absolutely blow chunks to bet 200 and have V1 call and V2 get priced in on a gutter or fd and have a spade or 10-Q hit. It would also blow to bet 250+ and have both villians fold since hero is tag/nit and three bet range could be premiums.

I would tank bet (maybe give tell as bluff) 250+ and shove every turn even if both come along and spade/10-Q hits if both checks.
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06-15-2013 , 02:03 PM
Value town!!
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06-15-2013 , 02:06 PM
given both V's stack sizes does everyone agree close to a psb here? also, 3bet pre sizing okay for the raise and 1 call?
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06-15-2013 , 02:15 PM
1/2 -3/4 bet and jamming all safe turns.
Ie. no spade (esp if both players call)
And broadway cards

However think Vs are betting out A10+ hands here
This is a pretty bad board for their ranges.
(At these levels 3b ranges are very strong Ak+) may be hard to get a lot of value here. With this board.

Bet 1/2 pot and evaluate
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06-15-2013 , 04:44 PM
$250 on flop. Shove turn. Easy game
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06-15-2013 , 05:20 PM
$300, shove any turn.
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06-15-2013 , 06:21 PM
3bet pre is fine. I'd 3bet to 100-130 although obviously the more they are willing to call the more u should raise. So yeah if they'll call more raise it up even more than 130. Kk is a hand strong enough to get 2 callers as well.
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06-16-2013 , 09:35 AM
I think the size of your pre-flop bet is fine, but I think you ought to bet a lot less on the flop, about $170-180. Your opponents should be drawing dead, so try to get them to put more chips in, or check-raise you. The only hand that is a threat is suited connecters, with spades, and V2 is the only player who could have that hand. And that hand will call or check-raise you, either of which is fine. If a spade hits the turn, bad luck. Otherwise, push the rest of your chips on turn.
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06-16-2013 , 12:38 PM
How is this a wet flop?

Personally I'm betting way less otf to either induce the two combo draws (QJ or the less likely QT)...everything else you crush...

You have the flop locked up dude, small to induce combo draws and keep like AJ/AQ in is the way to go.

Something stupid like $140. Maybe even "same bet" if your opponents are at all competent.

If flatted you can go big ott, this is where AQ and AJ begin hero'ing and you can still gii otr.
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06-16-2013 , 07:32 PM
Gotta go with Avrita. Except I'd still bet like 175-200.
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06-16-2013 , 08:08 PM
Preflop is fine. Bigger would probably be a waste here, with just two villains and a pot that is already getting big. I wouldn't go smaller though with V2 in there, he sounds like the sort who likes to call with marginal hands hoping to crack big pairs. You want to charge him as much as he will pay preflop. I might even go bigger then $125 if V2 will call huge raises wide.

Flop is really not wet, since there shouldn't be many straight or flush draws in villains range for calling $125 with the As and Ks on board. Most villains are going to be playing big aces or set mining here. It isn't entirely dry though, you have two villains and you say V2 could have draws in his range. That means under betting here is bad, because if V1 flats then V2 is likely to have odds to chase. I like $225 into what looks like a $382 pot. That is also enough that you can shove any non spade turn. Obviously if either villain raises then shove flop.
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