Hero goes $15 utg with KsKc
4 calls incl V in MP

Flop: 335dd
Hero bets $35, next guy raises $135, Hero ?

Eff stacks are 230bb, Hero has been playing like a maniac, raising every alternate hand pre, squeezing with pocket 2s, making bluffs, winning pots, table probably thinks he's an aggrodonk loosey. V seems like a rec player, no history with Hero.

I think pre flop and flop bets are maybe a bit small.

There's only 4 combos that beat you since AA would 3 bet pre.

I don't mind a 3 bet on the flop because you image is so agro.

Calling is fine as well.

Only folding is a mistake.

Curious which 4 combos you think beat hero??? I don't think a boat is raising flop esp if hero has shown to be aggressive (as villain would want to get trappy with the nuts). But hero's raise was too small and villain could've made a loose call pre after that many callers.

I think hero is beat a lot here. But I think you are good often enough here that you have to call flop and reevaluate. Expect to see A3o, 43o, 63s a lot. That's a lot more than 4 combos. At the same time, if you have been that aggressive, expect to see hands like 66-JJ a lot as well.

$25 pre as default UTG 100+bb deep. Heck, since you've been that aggressive and you're that deep, I'd recommend raising to $30 pre if not $25

I was thinking 33 and 55.

Can prob give V A3s but I'm not giving him anything else unless we have read V calls with trash.

I think this is a flush draw a lot of the time.

Like the others said 5x at least pre. Given your image you have to call and probably let him keep barreling down.

raise more pre. bet significantly more on the flop.

where did villain call from exactly? It seems like he was the first caller pre? If this is the case it reduces the amount of 3's he should have.

with a loose aggressive, bordering on maniac image I'd go ahead and 3 bet here. Your going to be shown a 3 or 55 occasionally but all things considered he's raising any over pair, Fd's, even a hand like A5 could be raising you specifically.

calling and then check/calling the turn makes your hand pretty much face up as a big pair and it's going to get harder and harder every street oop w/ one pair deep. The flop is when you have to make your decision, I'd raise and if called barrel 100% of turns. ( betting small on diamonds/folding to a raise)

But how many worse hands are continuing to a 3 bet where we're gonna be stacking off by the river?

Hero called (putting V on overplayed overpairs/FDs because of my image)

Turn: 2c
Hero leads $150, V ships, Hero ?

calling down two streets is pretty brutal here w/ a one pair hand. Any A,2,4,5,7, or diamond is bad after we're raised. honestly there are no cards we really like other than a K,Q and maybe a J. (3 wouldn't appear to be bad either) If we flat then we're checking turn, this lets villain have the choice to see a river for free, which can't happen.

The rest of the way he decides how much and when the money goes in and we're left playing a guessing game for 200 bb's. it's tough to win that way.

Snap call

Like I said, how many worse hands are continuing to a 3 bet where we're gonna be stacking off by the river?

Once he ships turn can rule out boats and quads IMO.

This is either a 3, a really overplayed over pair or a nut flush draw.

I really wish we had a read on the opponent though.

I am pretty laggy and people either do 1 of two things against me.

Sit and wait for the nuts and let me barrel off or spew big time.

They don't usually have the nuts and try to make me fold.

Yeah so I called and V showed

Well I mean you just are never going to put that hand in villians range.

I mean if villian is calling that kind of crap he's not going to do well but just make a note and move on.

Would definitely like a bigger raise pre though in future.

Yeah obv I could never put him on 3x there, and with my image, can I ever fold there? I led the turn because I thought I was ahead and had a plan to bet/fold, but again, with my image, I just said f*** it, he can have lots of junk trying to play back at me, and called anyway. Maybe I should just have let go?

I think you shoulda just check called down. Keeps his bluffs in. After you call his raise then donk the turn you're folding all his bluffs. Sure you risk getting outdrawn but better to risk that than to fold out his range into a range that beats you.

I never put him on bluffs. I thought he was trapping with an overpair pre. Or a diamond draw. But maybe recs don't raise those OTF.

I actually dont like stacking off more than 200 BB here at all in a multiway singleraised pot: even if you have a crazy maniac kind of image.

What many LAGGY players fail to realize by my experience is that many recfishes dont adjust how you think they will adjust or how you would adjust to another LAG: No, they tend to tighten up even more and waiting for ubernutty hands to trap you with. Most rec players or average low stakes villains is not adjusting by 3/4 betting you wider or calling you down lighter, or lowering their stackoff thresholds in big pots as you may think.

That is one of the biggest reasons why i dont like piling it in here in this spot, and i for sure dont like the donklead on the turn because you are folding out villains bluff IF he was indeed on a rare bluff. But as mentioned above i dont think he shows up with a bluff here or a flushdraw very often at all, it is mostly wishful thinking.

That's not 100% true. The ones at my game will start calling lighter and lighter. But yeah, their raises probably have my monsters crushed regardless.

So you're folding flop?

Without more accurate reads regarding how light he is stacking off, and this deep: yes. In general i feel most villains range with this kind of aggressive line is weighted towards made monsters.

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Bad rec players are stacking off with 88-QQ here IMO. I hate leading turn though...

True, most bad rec players will call down multiple streets with those types of hands. I think the majority of rec villains are much more likely to call multiple streets then make a huge raise otf, and then gii. If they arent 3! with overpairs i doubt they will play them very aggressively the majority of the time in multiway pots.

I agree with some of the comments saying that your lag image may not mean anything. Its a rec player you have no history or past beef with. Most rec villains wont be aware or care unless you are beating them specifically.Granted, your flop lead is small which could provoke a raise with a FD though I don't think the avg rec is doing that.

On the turn, I dont like the lead. When villain shoves its hands that beat you always. If your plan is to call otf, at least by checking on the turn you get the rec villain to continue to run whatever bluffs or try to "protect"/vbet 66-QQ against fd's so you can keep villains range wider.

I agree with opening more than 3x

Long story short, unless you are 100% sure villain is aware of your LAG image and how they will/have responded in the past dont assume 200bbs + worth that your KK is good there. 99% of the time most villains arent "playing back" at you they just have it. It doesnt matter how its such a small % of the range you decide to assign them.

I had a similar situation today with AA. I raised preflop and got few callers, flop came 335, I bet and then I get reraised from the button. I call, the turn is a brick, I check the villain bet again I shipped all-in and he insta folded.

Just like this is said, the fine print is that sometimes you are going to be run over by the deck, period, and even if you had made it $30 PF, he likely still calls and you even further eliminate the 3Tcc sorta hands from his range, but at the same rate the call down theory is pretty much the only way you can play the hand here, and he might even make a mistake and check river as well...