Hero opened in LP, hero had all combos of sets, two paris and straights in his range. I don't know how that we are at a big range disadvantage.

What is your betting range on this flop?

Avitaritia, say you cbet 35/40 here and V raises to 150. Whats your 3bet size?

Like 385, then your open jamming the turn?

My bad, read as MP. Might be exaggerating a bit to say we are at a big range disadvantage, but this board favors the BTN's calling range much better than it does our raising range. We should still be checking the majority of our range on boards where the board favors the caller's range.

Betting range would be something like: sets, two pair, straights, combos draws that have no SDV, overcard + gutshot, overpairs/Jx without a diamond. Everything else in my range is just checking to give up or call down multiple streets.

Hero is a tight player, so he has way less nutted combos than the BTN. Even if Hero were LAG, he can't have a straight on this board unless it's specifically 108s. If he's tight (as OP said he was), he can't even have a straight on this board. Opening 108s is getting to the 23% opening range for CO, which is not tight. On the other hand, BTN can have 108o, and he also has more two pair in his range like J7s, 97o, J9o, J7o (whereas we can never ever have them unless we are an uber lag). So yeah, we are at a pretty decent range disadvantage.

Another thing of note that is being overlooked from what Minatorr is saying is that you really shouldn't be bloating the pot here with a lot of your value range. I think so many players would just auto $40 here with black AA but like every turn sucks and you are bloating a pot oop with what will almost always be a bluffcatcher vs a btn continuing range.

Instead you can just check/never fold and make a lot more money usually.

I actually played a very similar spot a few nights ago vs very aggressive somewhat good kid where I check/called the whole way with red KK on J96

Turn 7 check call
River 9 check call.

He had QT and there's 1) no way I'm winning this hand if I cbet flop and 2) I got three streets of value from Q high.

I see a lot of folks do the reverse, they bet small or even check (trying to trap) with AK on A72r, and then they bet pot with black aces on 89T

That's bad

^ Also a very good point. AA does not do well vs a BTN continuing range on a 8910hh board. We are ahead of their entire range OTF, but once they continue vs our flop bet, our equity drops drastically and basically AA becomes a bluff catcher. It doesnt really beat any value hands.

Some good discussion in this thread

Nice to see

similar? this seems fine vs agro/good V. I would take this line sometimes with the right dynamics. I think you still win the hand if you cbet...

But the V here is an old reg and we have he combo draw. even if hes not a nit/will gamble it up we're more apt to get our value early before he sees a card that kills his (any) button open range or even hits small flush and goes into call/showdown mode.

these old beaten down casino vets have ''seen it all''

This is an excellent point/example.

The general consensus of horror regarding turn/river play in this forum could be sedated a bit if people would just read ^, think about it, and then apply it.

Thanks for the input all, results below:

Checking this flop to "protect and balance our checking range" is ridiculous and just so much FPS. This is low stakes live poker, which is extremely easy - you make a good hand and you keep betting. Bet the flop, bet the turn, evaluate river depending on what it is. Why over-complicate the whole thing when you basically flopped the nuts?

It's one reason, but not exactly the main reason. Like I said, I'm not an obsessive advocate of GTO like some otherd are. However, adding deception to your range allows your opponent to make many more mistakes and allow us to make more money. We only get two streets fron this hand anyway, so it makes sense to check somewhere. Vs a ton of his range, we have him drawing super thin. Vs his bluffs some are drawing dead, so we want to keep in the weaker portions of his range in. We are not afraid of any turns or rivers really so checking makes a lot of sense.

We didn't really flop the nuts. Vs a continuing range KJdd is not in super great shape like you make it out to be. For any good reg especially for low stakes+ online, this is an easy and completely standard x/c.

This is live poker, not online poker. People aren't exploiting a damn thing. They call too much, they don't fold often enough, and their continuing range is basically "I have a piece of this flop"

Uh wtf? Notice how in most of my reasons to check this hand, it's not mainly to be exploited. Sure, it's a side effect for our overall range but it's not the one and only reason. So your argument of how they aren't going to exploit a damn thing is invalid.

KJdd is not a huge favorite over their continuing range, even if they call looser than they should. Against their entire range we are wayyy ahead, and by checking we could induce a ton of spaz and bluffs because no one really expects us to check value/strong hands here.

At 5/10+ against good players, this is a standard check as well. If you arent checking here, you're just playing face-up poker and have no deception in your game. You're going to get abused a ton by any player that has a clue.

Or you need to be betting more flops instead of only betting when you hit something.

KJdd is a 72/28 favorite versus what should be their entire continuing range (roughly 77-QQ, 78s-KQs, 78-KQo, AJo, A9o, A7o, the A2-AQdd hands that we don't block, etc). I would label that a huge favorite, but perhaps 72/28 is not a large enough advantage? Even if you take out some of the ones that might be a stretch, it's still going to be in the ballpark of 65/35 - 70/30. I like putting money in when I'm a favorite, but that's just me.

wj is right. OP and so many of the people commenting here are absolutely leveling themselves with their thinking.

Not to be results orientated, but we bet and they still spazzed turn, and not even in a way that made it hard to fold. And we still folded! They played into our hands both with their actions and their actual hand. Now, are we sure villain wouldn't take this exact line with stronger hands? I genuinely think with the top parts of their range they are betting more on the turn, but more history would help.